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Old Time Country Preacher |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | Yes, a DIPLOMA MILL may give out worthless degrees (e.g., a degree that requires nothing but a credit card).
But while an unaccredited degree may have less "utility" (as OTCP puts it--that is, it is not going to carry as much clout, etc.), an unaccredited degree may be quite rigorous to obtain. In fact, it is entirely possible that an unaccredited degree actually has more objective merit than one that is "earned" at an accredited university. Let me explain....
There is often considerable fluff in degrees. While this is often explained as making for a "rounded" education, it can also be explained as "more dollars in the university's pocket." Consider that a degree in theology often requires one to study Greek and Hebrew. Does it really make sense to require a term or two of Greek? I mean, a person is NOT going to be close to having an expertise...yet it's often required.
Now, if someone was going to MAJOR in Greek, why, of course you'd expect them to take YEARS of language. But is there no translations from the Greek that are so trustworthy as to not require me and my piddling year of Greek to ensure that all is on the up and up? Would you trust someone who has had exactly two semesters of Spanish to translate a Bible into Spanish...or from Spanish? I wouldn't want to put much faith in it!
So, fluff. Same with a degree in history. Believe it or not, you have to learn a foreign language--apparently no one can translate from German except...YOU. You get the idea.
But an unaccredited university might require less fluff and more foundation. Or not. But if not, then it might still be no worse than an accredited degree.
So, yes, an unaccredited degree may be unaccredited for a very good reason. An accredited one may be accredited...or a very bad reason (paying the fee required for accreditation). Hey, are there "accreditation mills"?
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Yes, Aaron, religious accreditation mills exist an very active. One a the worst is ACI which is run by a Jesus Only preacher names John Scheel, here is the link: www.accreditnow.com It don't take but a hour on the net to find these worthless places.
The arguments you cite above are straw men arguments that might occur in 2% of the cases. And yes, there were a handful of unaccredited schools that offered substantive programs of study, one such being Bob Jones University. BJU however was a member of probably 2-5% of such schools. 95% of unaccredited religious schools, especially those offering masters and doctorates were/are little more than mills, a high percentage blatantly so. |
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I want to thank you, OTCP, for keeping us up to speed on who these phony "Doctors" are. Like Wofi preachers, they lay claim to titles they have not earned and all should be made aware.
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| Re: Does unaccredited does not mean "worthless"? |
Resident Skeptic |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: | Yes, a DIPLOMA MILL may give out worthless degrees (e.g., a degree that requires nothing but a credit card).
But while an unaccredited degree may have less "utility" (as OTCP puts it--that is, it is not going to carry as much clout, etc.), an unaccredited degree may be quite rigorous to obtain. In fact, it is entirely possible that an unaccredited degree actually has more objective merit than one that is "earned" at an accredited university. Let me explain....
There is often considerable fluff in degrees. While this is often explained as making for a "rounded" education, it can also be explained as "more dollars in the university's pocket." Consider that a degree in theology often requires one to study Greek and Hebrew. Does it really make sense to require a term or two of Greek? I mean, a person is NOT going to be close to having an expertise...yet it's often required.
Now, if someone was going to MAJOR in Greek, why, of course you'd expect them to take YEARS of language. But is there no translations from the Greek that are so trustworthy as to not require me and my piddling year of Greek to ensure that all is on the up and up? Would you trust someone who has had exactly two semesters of Spanish to translate a Bible into Spanish...or from Spanish? I wouldn't want to put much faith in it!
So, fluff. Same with a degree in history. Believe it or not, you have to learn a foreign language--apparently no one can translate from German except...YOU. You get the idea.
But an unaccredited university might require less fluff and more foundation. Or not. But if not, then it might still be no worse than an accredited degree.
So, yes, an unaccredited degree may be unaccredited for a very good reason. An accredited one may be accredited...or a very bad reason (paying the fee required for accreditation). Hey, are there "accreditation mills"?
Just a thought. |
Yes, Aaron, religious accreditation mills exist an very active. One a the worst is ACI which is run by a Jesus Only preacher names John Scheel, here is the link: www.accreditnow.com It don't take but a hour on the net to find these worthless places.
The arguments you cite above are straw men arguments that might occur in 2% of the cases. And yes, there were a handful of unaccredited schools that offered substantive programs of study, one such being Bob Jones University. BJU however was a member of probably 2-5% of such schools. 95% of unaccredited religious schools, especially those offering masters and doctorates were/are little more than mills, a high percentage blatantly so. |
One of his the institutions he helped accredit is called "Trinity Valley Baptist Seminary and College".
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8/12/17 8:46 pm
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| Re: Does unaccredited does not mean "worthless"? |
Old Time Country Preacher |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Aaron Scott wrote: | Yes, a DIPLOMA MILL may give out worthless degrees (e.g., a degree that requires nothing but a credit card).
But while an unaccredited degree may have less "utility" (as OTCP puts it--that is, it is not going to carry as much clout, etc.), an unaccredited degree may be quite rigorous to obtain. In fact, it is entirely possible that an unaccredited degree actually has more objective merit than one that is "earned" at an accredited university. Let me explain....
There is often considerable fluff in degrees. While this is often explained as making for a "rounded" education, it can also be explained as "more dollars in the university's pocket." Consider that a degree in theology often requires one to study Greek and Hebrew. Does it really make sense to require a term or two of Greek? I mean, a person is NOT going to be close to having an expertise...yet it's often required.
Now, if someone was going to MAJOR in Greek, why, of course you'd expect them to take YEARS of language. But is there no translations from the Greek that are so trustworthy as to not require me and my piddling year of Greek to ensure that all is on the up and up? Would you trust someone who has had exactly two semesters of Spanish to translate a Bible into Spanish...or from Spanish? I wouldn't want to put much faith in it!
So, fluff. Same with a degree in history. Believe it or not, you have to learn a foreign language--apparently no one can translate from German except...YOU. You get the idea.
But an unaccredited university might require less fluff and more foundation. Or not. But if not, then it might still be no worse than an accredited degree.
So, yes, an unaccredited degree may be unaccredited for a very good reason. An accredited one may be accredited...or a very bad reason (paying the fee required for accreditation). Hey, are there "accreditation mills"?
Just a thought. |
Yes, Aaron, religious accreditation mills exist an very active. One a the worst is ACI which is run by a Jesus Only preacher names John Scheel, here is the link: www.accreditnow.com It don't take but a hour on the net to find these worthless places.
The arguments you cite above are straw men arguments that might occur in 2% of the cases. And yes, there were a handful of unaccredited schools that offered substantive programs of study, one such being Bob Jones University. BJU however was a member of probably 2-5% of such schools. 95% of unaccredited religious schools, especially those offering masters and doctorates were/are little more than mills, a high percentage blatantly so. |
One of his the institutions he helped accredit is called "Trinity Valley Baptist Seminary and College".
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