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Are the 10 Commandments for NT Believers?

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **4/24/14 6:34 pm**

ABSOLUTELY.

Jesus Himself, when a young man asked Him how to have eternal life, did not say, "Well, just believe on Me, etc." He pointed to the commandments.

Further, the 10 Commandments are NOT the Law. They are mentioned BY the Law, but all of these commandments were standards held by those who came long before the Law.

The Sabbath? That started on Day Seven.

Thou shalt not kill? It hadn't been written down, but God still punished Cain.

On and on, these MORAL commandments are seen in action--hundreds of years before the Law.

Yes, circumcision was also prior to the law, but we have express scriptures that tell us that Gentiles are not held to physical circumcision. The new covenant spiritualized the matter--circumcision still mattered, but not fleshly circumcision, but circumcision of the heart.

The Sabbath? Some here argue that it too is not expected. I am not sure, but I do not practice it specifically, nor tell others to.

But if all liars (Rev. 21: Cool

will have their part in the Lake of Fire, then God still holds people to some sort of standard. (If I understand Brad, he believes that only the unsaved must live up to the law; the rest of us live by grace, etc.).

But over and over we see Jesus letting us know that the TRUE standard (of which the commandments are but shadows) is even HIGHER than the commandments. So if murder is wrong for the non-believers, then hating one's brother is wrong for the Christian.

If adultery is wrong for the non-believer, then surely the believer is held to the standard of "he that looks on a woman to lust after her."

YES, the 10 commandments are FOR EVERYONE.

If you break them, you have disobeyed God. And if you are saved and claiming grace, you have went contrary to grace by breaking them.

Aaron...yes and no....

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **4/24/14 6:41 pm**

Matthew 22:34-40 (NIV)
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together.
35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37 Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

The law of love trumps all. The 10 commandments were covered in what Jesus stated. If you walk in love, you won't be lying, killing adulterating,....etc.....

Are we under the 10 commandments per se.....no..... But the law of love covers it and everything else.

This is simple for me to understand because I need simplicity.
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Casey...you are correct, my brother

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **4/24/14 6:57 pm**

You are correct, my friend.

Any law the encompasses the 10 commandments ensures that they are obeyed. For instance, if we love God, we're going to seek to live a life pleasing to Him.

Re: Are the 10 Commandments for NT Believers?

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **4/24/14 7:02 pm**

But Brad...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **4/24/14 7:19 pm**

You'd agree that the grace we are given, calling us to an even higher elevation, would mean that we would MORE THAN MEET the standards of the Ten Commandments?

That is, if you are NOT keeping the 10 commandments (let's say you're committing adultery), then you would ALSO not be right before God, since we are called even higher, right?

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/24/14 7:36 pm**

The Ten Commandments were specifically given to the Hebrews, under the terms of the law of Moses. They absolutely were not given to Gentiles, nor are they binding moral law for the New Covenant believer. The law of Christ is the sole and sufficient New Covenant standard for the believer.

Re: But Brad...

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **4/24/14 7:46 pm**

Something I tried to get Brad to answer in another thread...

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **4/24/14 8:00 pm**

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Everyone (even before the law and apart from the law)has a conscience and undoubtedly it has something to do with the law as demonstrated in Cain and the pre-law patriarchs.

I believe that is how those who have not experienced or known Christ (not rejected Him)in the regeneration will be judged. That is according to how they have violated the conscience. Perhaps that is why Noah was spared and why Enoch was translated. They had not violated the conscience, that inner voice that God placed in man.

So then, what does that mean to us who have been redeemed? Hasn't our conscience been redeemed as well and if we violate it or allow some gnostic doctrine to turn us around. Shame on that one who teaches one to go against the commands of God.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Re: Something I tried to get Brad to answer in another threa

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **4/24/14 9:11 pm**

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/24/14 9:47 pm**

Thanks boys, this is good to know, cause I always kinda liked that eye fer an eye thing. Cool

Re: Something I tried to get Brad to answer in another threa

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **4/24/14 10:07 pm**

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **4/24/14 10:12 pm**

And no I don't teach people the law, but I do not teach them it's ok to break the commandments.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/24/14 10:31 pm**

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **4/24/14 10:48 pm**

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 **4/25/14 12:28 am**

Gentiles, the 10 Commandments, and the Law of Christ

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **4/25/14 4:34 am**

The 10 commandments were in use long before the Law.

Again, the law simply wrote down what had been the unwritten law before then.

The Law of Christ is ALWAYS in agreement with the 10 commandments, for the 10 commandments will always be supported by "The Golden Rule" and loving God.

So, while it is indirect, if we are governed by the Spirit, we will live up to the 10 Commandments (except any that are clearly done away with via the NT).

For example, the 10 Commandments tell us not to exceed 70 miles per hour on the highway. But we have a new and better law now that tells us not to exceed 60 mph. If we obey the new and better law, we will, happily, also be performing (and then some) the moral law of God.

The 10 Commandments are the ONLY laws of the LAW that everyone is responsible to. For no one naturally feels that circumcision is the right thing to do. But the Romans 2 law written in Gentile hearts is this law.

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **4/25/14 6:18 am**

A few points on the 10 commandments from 2 Cor. 3 (the passage is re-printed below):

1. God has made us sufficient as ministers of the Spirit, "not of the letter". (v.6) God's enabling power is not on us ministering the 10 commandments.

2. The 10 commandments kill and are the ministry of death.(v.8 ) The Spirit gives life.(v.7) This "ministry of death" was written and engraved on stones and given when Moses face glowed - it is the 10 commandments. (v.7) These 2 (the Law and the Spirit) are as opposite in ministry as life and death. The Spirit does not kill or minister death or enable us as ministers of the 10 commandments.

3. The 10 commandments are the ministry of condemnation. There is no condemnation in Christ because the Spirit made us free from the letter (Rom. 8:2). We are dead to the Law. (Rom.7;1-6) These 2 (the Law and the Spirit) are as opposite in ministry as condemnation and righteousness. God did not send Jesus to condemn, but to save (Jn. 3:17). The Law is opposed to the "no condemnation" purpose of God through Jesus. The Law stood "against us" and was "contrary to us" (Col. 2:14). As believers, God is for us, not "against us".

4. The reading of Moses "to this day" veils hearts and minds. The law is not of faith. Gal. 3:12. The way to get this veil taken away is to "turn" from reliance on law-keeping as a means of righteousness or life "to the Lord" - repentance or metanoia. In Christ, the veil of the 10 commandments is "taken away". (v.14). He has "taken it out of the way". Col 2:14. He has "abolished" it. Eph. 2:15. The law is "cast out" in Christ. Gal. 4:25,30. The new birth (our union with Christ in His death, burial, resurrection, ascension and rest) obliterates all condemnation and death, gives us eternal life, declares us righteous and frees us from judgment! John 5:24; Rom. 6:1-12.

5. The Lord is not the letter. He is not death. He is not condemnation. He is not bondage. The Lord is the Spirit. (v.17) After this lengthy comparison, Paul makes it clear who Jesus is - He is not the letter, He is the Spirit! He is life. He is righteousness. He is freedom. He does not enable ministry that condemns, kills, brings bondage or veils minds. "For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." Jn. 1:17 The Word made flesh was "full of grace and truth". Jn. 1:14. He is not the 10 commandments.

2 Cor. 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious. 12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech-- 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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Re: Gentiles, the 10 Commandments, and the Law of Christ

Friendly Face Posts: 356 **4/25/14 8:34 am**

realistic question

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 **4/25/14 9:03 am**

If we are being taught to discard things that are outdated and not written to us - then do we discard the letter written to the Romans

Romans 1:7 7 I am writing to all of you in Rome who are loved by God and are called to be his own holy people.

And if that's the case do we discard Ephesians, Corinthians, etc? I'm thinking, if outsiders were to read this forum they would conclude that the bible is irrelevant. The old testament is outdated and done away with and pretty much all of the new testament was not written specifically to me.

Now, I may not be as smart as you fellers but what I'm pulling away from these long discussions is that the bible does not apply to and even the church people agree with this stance.

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1741 **4/25/14 9:07 am**

The answer is yes.

Whatsoever things the Lord commands us, writes upon our hearts is our moral code.

That includes the 10 commandments even deeper than written in stone.

Jesus taught on these things and "commanded" us to love God and one another. All the other things are incompassed in these.

Jesus also taught on the sabbath which seems to be the trojan horse to say see we don't keep them. However Jesus taught that the sabbath was made for a purpose. That purpose is also contained in loving. Worship and rest. Each of us now realize that true worship is not confined to one day, Jesus is our everyday worship. The day has come in which people worship in spirit and in truth.

Also we should adhere to a day of rest. As most of us do. Not in the letter of don't do this or that but in the spirit of don't overdo as a habit.