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Nature Boy Florida |
With the pace of LGBT agenda moving on - how long does Lee U have until it either accepts openly homosexual, LGBT, trans staff members - or loses the ability for its students to get federal loans - thus forcing it to close it doors?
Won't electing Hillary continue this rapid pace of LGBT militancy?
With free education being offered - what's the chances that the money gets tight enough that someone has to be dropped - and openly Christian bigotry schools (like Lee will be labeled) - are the first to get eliminated from federal money.
No guarantee Trump will be better - hopefully his promises are good - but Hillary will for sure finish us off.
All those Lee professors openly supporting Hillary - I hope they will enjoy their early retirement. 
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All those Lee professors openly supporting Hillary - I hope they will enjoy their early retirement. |
Sadly I don't think they believe there will be any problem. |
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About a year and a half ago I heard an AG leader say that they are just a couple of government policy changes away from being out of the higher education business. Hiring and conduct policies could cause colleges/universities to lose student grants and loans. Likewise, accreditation could be lost if there was an unwillingness to compromise.
It will be very revealing to see which schools are willing to compromise and which would rather go without government aid and accreditation. The future of many historic denominational schools could be that of schools like SMU or TCU. In name only.
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9/30/16 9:54 am
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Eddie Robbins |
| This is all true if you fail to understand that the calling of Lee University is led by God and for His purpose. |
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UncleJD |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | This is all true if you fail to understand that the calling of Lee University is led by God and for His purpose. |
If I misunderstand you, forgive me. But are you saying that Lee (or any other Christian school), can fulfill God's purpose AND comply with government regulations simultaneously? |
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9/30/16 11:28 am
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Nature Boy Florida |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | This is all true if you fail to understand that the calling of Lee University is led by God and for His purpose. |
Sorry man - Tennessee Temple felt the same call. Where are they now?
Bad things can happen.
We need to be wise as serpents - and read the handwriting on the wall.
Que sera sera isn't a very good plan.
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Eddie Robbins |
| Listen to Dr. Conn's address today. |
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Nature Boy Florida |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | Listen to Dr. Conn's address today. |
Get me the link.
Thanks in advance.
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the government makes government grants, scholarships and loans dependent upon compliance with the pro-LGBTETC agenda. That wouldn't by itself close down Christian schools like Lee, but it would significantly impact their income streams. |
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Dean Steenburgh |
Open the doors & let them in ...why not?
One of our former youth is a recent Lee grad & she told us all about the hidden gay issues at Lee & about certain staff members who live compromising lifestyles. The students know whats going on & most of the staff do as well, so why hide the whole thing?
Accept the obvious & move on.
Keep it a strong biblically based school with high expectations for most of the graduates & minister to those in the gay community.
It's never ever never ever going to go away so rather than shutting down & closing the door on ministry, open the doors & attempt to minister to them with love. What message do you send if you close the doors all because we can't allow them to live openly on campus.
They already attend Lee, live nearby or live on campus & from what I've learned it's not all in the closet as some would like to think.
Make the adjustment in policy to student conduct during school hours that recognize our Christian heritage. If this were a muslim school it would be well understood that these types of things would not be tolerated & the US Government would back off most likely.
Since it seems we lack the guts to confront this as a society then we're faced with three options.
1. Close the school
2. Personally fund the school to help underwrite our future CoG ministry leaders. (never gonna happen)
3. Accept the governmental LGBT policy, keep the funds rolling in, allow gays to attend w/out prejudice & minister to those who are struggling with the lifestyle.
Questions I have:
1. is there any type of ongoing ministry to the LGBT student community at Lee as of right now? If not why not?
2. are we called by God to raise up the next generation of ministry leaders or are we operating Lee for a financial gain?
If we're called by God then God will fight our battles but if it's all about the money then get the ink ready & roll out the rainbow rug.
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| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | Open the doors & let them in ...why not?
One of our former youth is a recent Lee grad & she told us all about the hidden gay issues at Lee & about certain staff members who live compromising lifestyles. The students know whats going on & most of the staff do as well, so why hide the whole thing?
Accept the obvious & move on.
Keep it a strong biblically based school with high expectations for most of the graduates & minister to those in the gay community.
It's never ever never ever going to go away so rather than shutting down & closing the door on ministry, open the doors & attempt to minister to them with love. What message do you send if you close the doors all because we can't allow them to live openly on campus.
They already attend Lee, live nearby or live on campus & from what I've learned it's not all in the closet as some would like to think.
Make the adjustment in policy to student conduct during school hours that recognize our Christian heritage. If this were a muslim school it would be well understood that these types of things would not be tolerated & the US Government would back off most likely.
Since it seems we lack the guts to confront this as a society then we're faced with three options.
1. Close the school
2. Personally fund the school to help underwrite our future CoG ministry leaders. (never gonna happen)
3. Accept the governmental LGBT policy, keep the funds rolling in, allow gays to attend w/out prejudice & minister to those who are struggling with the lifestyle.
Questions I have:
1. is there any type of ongoing ministry to the LGBT student community at Lee as of right now? If not why not?
2. are we called by God to raise up the next generation of ministry leaders or are we operating Lee for a financial gain?
If we're called by God then God will fight our battles but if it's all about the money then get the ink ready & roll out the rainbow rug. |
| Quote: | | Keep it a strong biblically based school with high expectations for most of the graduates & minister to those in the gay community. |
If I understand what may happen is that any type of teaching or adherence to a doctrine that has anything but love and affirmation of homosexual practice as a normal and "healthy" lifestyle will not be tolerated by the government and all funding and government backed student loans would be terminated.
I don't think there is room at all in the government backed militant homosexual agenda for "loving the sinner and hating the sin". |
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9/30/16 3:53 pm
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Dean Steenburgh |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Dean Steenburgh wrote: | Open the doors & let them in ...why not?
One of our former youth is a recent Lee grad & she told us all about the hidden gay issues at Lee & about certain staff members who live compromising lifestyles. The students know whats going on & most of the staff do as well, so why hide the whole thing?
Accept the obvious & move on.
Keep it a strong biblically based school with high expectations for most of the graduates & minister to those in the gay community.
It's never ever never ever going to go away so rather than shutting down & closing the door on ministry, open the doors & attempt to minister to them with love. What message do you send if you close the doors all because we can't allow them to live openly on campus.
They already attend Lee, live nearby or live on campus & from what I've learned it's not all in the closet as some would like to think.
Make the adjustment in policy to student conduct during school hours that recognize our Christian heritage. If this were a muslim school it would be well understood that these types of things would not be tolerated & the US Government would back off most likely.
Since it seems we lack the guts to confront this as a society then we're faced with three options.
1. Close the school
2. Personally fund the school to help underwrite our future CoG ministry leaders. (never gonna happen)
3. Accept the governmental LGBT policy, keep the funds rolling in, allow gays to attend w/out prejudice & minister to those who are struggling with the lifestyle.
Questions I have:
1. is there any type of ongoing ministry to the LGBT student community at Lee as of right now? If not why not?
2. are we called by God to raise up the next generation of ministry leaders or are we operating Lee for a financial gain?
If we're called by God then God will fight our battles but if it's all about the money then get the ink ready & roll out the rainbow rug. |
| Quote: | | Keep it a strong biblically based school with high expectations for most of the graduates & minister to those in the gay community. |
If I understand what may happen is that any type of teaching or adherence to a doctrine that has anything but love and affirmation of homosexual practice as a normal and "healthy" lifestyle will not be tolerated by the government and all funding and government backed student loans would be terminated.
I don't think there is room at all in the government backed militant homosexual agenda for "loving the sinner and hating the sin". |
Come quickly Lord Jesus!
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Nature Boy Florida |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | Open the doors & let them in ...why not?
One of our former youth is a recent Lee grad & she told us all about the hidden gay issues at Lee & about certain staff members who live compromising lifestyles. The students know whats going on & most of the staff do as well, so why hide the whole thing?
Accept the obvious & move on.
Keep it a strong biblically based school with high expectations for most of the graduates & minister to those in the gay community.
It's never ever never ever going to go away so rather than shutting down & closing the door on ministry, open the doors & attempt to minister to them with love. What message do you send if you close the doors all because we can't allow them to live openly on campus.
They already attend Lee, live nearby or live on campus & from what I've learned it's not all in the closet as some would like to think.
Make the adjustment in policy to student conduct during school hours that recognize our Christian heritage. If this were a muslim school it would be well understood that these types of things would not be tolerated & the US Government would back off most likely.
Since it seems we lack the guts to confront this as a society then we're faced with three options.
1. Close the school
2. Personally fund the school to help underwrite our future CoG ministry leaders. (never gonna happen)
3. Accept the governmental LGBT policy, keep the funds rolling in, allow gays to attend w/out prejudice & minister to those who are struggling with the lifestyle.
Questions I have:
1. is there any type of ongoing ministry to the LGBT student community at Lee as of right now? If not why not?
2. are we called by God to raise up the next generation of ministry leaders or are we operating Lee for a financial gain?
If we're called by God then God will fight our battles but if it's all about the money then get the ink ready & roll out the rainbow rug. |
Sorry Dean.
This sounds holy and all - but the Episcopal groups have already been down this road.
In no time, an LGBT person is put in charge and you cease to have any biblical standards.
All types of sinners have always attended Lee University.
For goodness sake, Eddie and I both went there.
It doesn't mean the standards should change.
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And all the while the answer is right there in our face and we don't even see it.
I'll post the first paragraph and the rest can be read at the link...
| Quote: | | I. Resolved, that the several states composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General Government; but that by compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, delegated to that Government certain definite powers, reserving each state to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self Government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force: That to this compact each state acceded as a state, and is an integral party, its co-states forming as to itself, the other party: That the Government created by this compact was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself; since that would have made its discretion, and not the constitution, the measure of its powers; but that as in all other cases of compact among parties having no common Judge, each party has an equal right to judge for itself, as well of infractions as of the mode and measure of redress. |
https://jeffersonpapers.princeton.edu/selected-documents/resolutions-adopted-kentucky-general-assembly
Until we begin electing state officers who will aggressively defend the rights of their citizens from unconstitutional Federal intrusion, we need not complain. If nullification does not work, there is Article 5 of the Constitution.
Contrary to popular sentiment, the American Revolution began in 1765, not 1776. For 12 years the 13 colonies banded together to demand their rights as Englishmen within the Empire according to the Constitution of Great Britain. When that failed they broke away. We have not even begun to resist yet. We need not let threats of losing accreditation stop us. We can form our own accreditations institutions. If that fails we can demand a convention of the States. If that fails then 20 or more States must divorce themselves from their whorish sisters.
Friends, we have not even begun to resist yet. We convince ourselves that to do so is somehow to resist "God ordained authority" or we spiritualize our cowardice by saying "Oh well, Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world" or "We are called to save souls, not to save America".
Until Evangelical Christians start electing their own, right from out of the pews of our churches, we are doomed and future generations will curse us for allowing thugs and sodomites to steal our country and freedom. There are enough of us to make a difference. Right in your churches there are men and women you can elect to your State houses and Governor's mansions with a Constitutionalist agenda. They would not even have to campaign outside of the churches in their districts to win by a landslide. We should focus on taking our States back and then the national government will change by default.
The time to act is now and I for one will not sit by and watch it all fall apart and console myself in the fact that Christ will return someday. If not Christians, then who?
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https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/u.s.-civil-rights-commission-religious-freedom-is-code-word-for-racism-homophobia-and-christian-supremacy
Martin Castro
| Quote: | | Religious liberty was never intended to give one religion dominion over other religions, or a veto power over the civil rights and civil liberties of others. However, today, as in the past, religion is being used as both a weapon and a shield by those seeking to deny others equality. In our nation�s past religion has been used to justify slavery and later, Jim Crow laws. We now see �religious liberty� arguments sneaking their way back into our political and constitutional discourse (just like the concept of �state rights�) in an effort to undermine the rights of some Americans. This generation of Americans must stand up and speak out to ensure that religion never again be twisted to deny others the full promise of America. |
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| Re: It's Coming (L) |
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| Patrick Harris wrote: | https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/u.s.-civil-rights-commission-religious-freedom-is-code-word-for-racism-homophobia-and-christian-supremacy
Martin Castro
| Quote: | | Religious liberty was never intended to give one religion dominion over other religions, or a veto power over the civil rights and civil liberties of others. However, today, as in the past, religion is being used as both a weapon and a shield by those seeking to deny others equality. In our nation�s past religion has been used to justify slavery and later, Jim Crow laws. We now see �religious liberty� arguments sneaking their way back into our political and constitutional discourse (just like the concept of �state rights�) in an effort to undermine the rights of some Americans. This generation of Americans must stand up and speak out to ensure that religion never again be twisted to deny others the full promise of America. |
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Private religious institutions adhering to their convictions does not deny anyone in America life, liberty or property. Any future court ruling forcing private religious institutions to admit homosexuals against their convictions or teachings will be a gross violation of the Constitution.
Texit.
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| Re: It's Coming (L) |
Nature Boy Florida |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Patrick Harris wrote: | https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/u.s.-civil-rights-commission-religious-freedom-is-code-word-for-racism-homophobia-and-christian-supremacy
Martin Castro
| Quote: | | Religious liberty was never intended to give one religion dominion over other religions, or a veto power over the civil rights and civil liberties of others. However, today, as in the past, religion is being used as both a weapon and a shield by those seeking to deny others equality. In our nation�s past religion has been used to justify slavery and later, Jim Crow laws. We now see �religious liberty� arguments sneaking their way back into our political and constitutional discourse (just like the concept of �state rights�) in an effort to undermine the rights of some Americans. This generation of Americans must stand up and speak out to ensure that religion never again be twisted to deny others the full promise of America. |
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Private religious institutions adhering to their convictions does not deny anyone in America life, liberty or property. Any future court ruling forcing private religious institutions to admit homosexuals against their convictions or teachings will be a gross violation of the Constitution.
Texit. |
They won't be forced.
But they won't get any govt money - nor their students.
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| Debt free |
famousflavius |
| I hope Lee is debt free. |
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Eddie Robbins |
| famousflavius wrote: | | I hope Lee is debt free. |
Lee has never had a money issue since Paul Conn has been there. But, that's not the issue. Lots of students have government loans or grants. |
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