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 OK: Here is the Truth--AGAIN: If a Person with Only a Honery Docterate Allows Folk to call em "Dr.," they... |
Old Time Country Preacher |
are perpetuating a myth, facilitating a fad, an sliding down the slippery slope of ethics.
Ifn all a feller has is a honery doctorate (an by that, I mean the person has no earned docterate of any kind, some with no masters, an even some with no undergrad degree), an based on a honery docterate alone he is bein referred to as "Dr." in print, in public, professionally, business cards, church signs, church stationary, etc., he is on the slippery slope of a razor blade in terms of ethics.
In the words of Paul, "My brethren, these things ought not be." |
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5/23/17 6:36 pm
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roughridercog |
Maybe I should just change my name and give myself the first name of "Doctor."
Hey, I'd be honest at least. 
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5/23/17 7:02 pm
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c6thplayer1 |
I dont very often But I have to disagree with you on this one OT.
They are not " on the slippery slope of a razor blade in terms of ethics. " , They have already reached the bottom of the slope in terms of ethics. |
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5/23/17 9:04 pm
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| More dead horses beaten |
brotherjames |
Why not just let them die in peace?
Nothing new to see here, move along, move along. |
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5/23/17 9:17 pm
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Mat |
Sometimes I feel like OTCP has someone (or several someones) in mind when when he revisits this issue with such regularity. Does he have a view from one of he homes along 25th & Keith where he can see the "comings and goings" of the "high and mighty" who "wear" their honorary doctorates so boldly? OTCP, I think you may need to consider moving, cause the problems seems to be getting bigger.
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5/23/17 10:07 pm
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Cojak |
It is actually pretty hard to control what someone else calls you. And it would be frustrating to contradict 'Everyone' in public who used that title.
Now many years ago most COG preachers were addressed as 'Doc' isn't that short for doctor? Just saying!
The individual using it BROAD BASED may be misleading, but what others refer to you 'in a public forum' is OUT of the individual's control! 
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Cojak |
You know, if we could tie this Doctor thing to an alcohol, caffeine thread,. we'd be onto something.
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| Re: Instead of getting a fake degree |
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| roughridercog wrote: | Maybe I should just change my name and give myself the first name of "Doctor."
Hey, I'd be honest at least. |
There was a faculty member at the university I got my PhD at whose last name was Doktor, and he had a doctorate. Dr. Doktor-- sounds like the name of a song.
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| If Queen Elizabeth chooses to allow people to call her doctor... |
Aaron Scott |
Let's say that QE2 is given an honorary doctorate in international politics. YES, she can use it without the slightest bending of ethics. Why? Because while OTCP thinks that a doctorate is valid ONLY if you have PAID for it and took this or that set of courses, QE2 is WORLD'S ahead of even the best professor of international politics.
In other words, it is MERIT, KNOWLEDGE, and ABILITY that is the true thing that matters. For OTCP, a doctor that passed with a D is better than QE2 with an honorary degree.
Consider this: Would you rather have a medical doctor that cheated and passed med school examine you...or someone who did not go to med school, but spent 30 years working AS A DOCTOR with the finest doctor on earth?
I'm going with experience. Either you DESERVE the doctorate or you don't. If you don't, but you paid for it anyway, how ethical is that? And if you do deserve it, and use the honorary title, then.... |
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5/24/17 6:41 am
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Agreed Aaron.
Honorary SHOULD confirm an accredited higher education's recognition that you meet all the qualifications to be a Doctor - even though you did not receive formal training - demonstrated by your success in your field.
Nothing wrong with calling yourself Dr. there.
Creating an institution with no accreditation - and awarding your self a doctorate - would be a gross violation.
However, I am not sure why this had to be brought up again.
If you got names OTCP - just name them. Quit having this general knowledge essay posted every other week.
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c6thplayer1 |
Hypothetical's always have a way to sway opinions;
| Quote: | | Consider this: Would you rather have a medical doctor that cheated and passed med school examine you...or someone who did not go to med school, but spent 30 years working AS A DOCTOR with the finest doctor on earth? |
Let use your same scenario but with a little different parameters;
Consider this: Would you rather have a medical doctor that cheated and passed med school examine you...or someone who did not go to med school, but spent 30 years working AS A DOCTOR , illegally , with the finest doctor on earth who had no patience or interest in instructing others? |
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5/24/17 10:09 am
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bonnie knox |
Ole Timer is right. Don't go by the title doctor if your doctorate is honorary.
It's simple, really (yet some people still don't get it, to whom we offer an honorary doctor of hard-headedness).
Aaron, if a person gains their expertise through another avenue than academic pursuit, that's fine. They're an expert, but the convention is not to call them doctor. You don't have to go the academic route for expertise, but neither do you have to be called doctor to be recognized as an expert. |
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5/24/17 10:39 am
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| Bonnie... |
Aaron Scott |
| bonnie knox wrote: | Ole Timer is right. Don't go by the title doctor if your doctorate is honorary.
It's simple, really (yet some people still don't get it, to whom we offer an honorary doctor of hard-headedness).
Aaron, if a person gains their expertise through another avenue than academic pursuit, that's fine. They're an expert, but the convention is not to call them doctor. You don't have to go the academic route for expertise, but neither do you have to be called doctor to be recognized as an expert. |
IF IF IF an accredited university decides to confer an honorary doctorate on someone, they are recognizing a level of expertise that is commensurate with that of a formal doctor. As such, IF the honoree is OK with using or having other call him doctor, I have no problem with that. Now, if it from some degree mill, granted, that doesn't carry the same weight.
Consider that if Aquinas, Anselm, Augustine, the Apostle Paul, and such were here today.... They would FAR SURPASS the greatest theologians on earth today. But while the modern theologians took certain classes and PAID THE FEE, and, thus, get to call themselves doctors...these other "doctors of the church," even though their ability FAR SURPASSES that of the modern theologian...CANNOT use the honorific just because they happened to have skipped sitting in certain classes AND paying the fee for that? Nope. Don't buy it. |
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5/24/17 10:53 am
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Aaron Scott |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | Hypothetical's always have a way to sway opinions;
| Quote: | | Consider this: Would you rather have a medical doctor that cheated and passed med school examine you...or someone who did not go to med school, but spent 30 years working AS A DOCTOR with the finest doctor on earth? |
Let use your same scenario but with a little different parameters;
Consider this: Would you rather have a medical doctor that cheated and passed med school examine you...or someone who did not go to med school, but spent 30 years working AS A DOCTOR , illegally , with the finest doctor on earth who had no patience or interest in instructing others? |
If the person actually has the chops, I'm good. If not, then I don't care what credentials they have, you're likely doomed. |
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5/24/17 10:54 am
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Nature Boy Florida |
| bonnie knox wrote: | Ole Timer is right. Don't go by the title doctor if your doctorate is honorary.
It's simple, really (yet some people still don't get it, to whom we offer an honorary doctor of hard-headedness).
Aaron, if a person gains their expertise through another avenue than academic pursuit, that's fine. They're an expert, but the convention is not to call them doctor. You don't have to go the academic route for expertise, but neither do you have to be called doctor to be recognized as an expert. |
So, being a doctor is only possible through attending a university?
Here is Merriam - Webster's definition
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Definition of doctor
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a Christianity
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an eminent theologian declared a sound expounder of doctrine by the Roman Catholic Church —called also doctor of the church
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a learned or authoritative teacher
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a person who has earned one of the highest academic degrees (such as a PhD) conferred by a university •Most of the college's faculty members are doctors in their fields. •The class is being taught by Doctor Menzer.
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a person awarded an honorary doctorate (such as an LLD or Litt D) by a college or university
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a person skilled or specializing in healing arts; especially
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one (such as a physician, dentist, or veterinarian) who holds an advanced degree and is licensed to practice •See your doctor if the condition worsens. •an eye doctor •doctors' bills
b
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medicine man
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a
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material added (as to food) to produce a desired effect
b
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a blade (as of metal) for spreading a coating or scraping a surface
4
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a person who restores, repairs, or fine-tunes things
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doctoral
play \-t(ə-)rəl\ adjective
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doctorless
play \-tər-ləs\ adjective
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doctorship
play \-ˌship\ noun |
It appears Merriam Webster recognizes an honorary doctorate conferred by a University.
Also - as far as being a physician is concerned - just getting a title from a University doesn't make you a Doctor - y0u must still pass tests and meet all other requiements for LICENSING.
So - it appears the Old Timer school of defining doctors is the one with no accreditation!
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IF IF IF an accredited university decides to confer an honorary doctorate on someone, they are recognizing a level of expertise that is commensurate with that of a formal doctor. |
I don't think that's always the case or is necessarily the case. Regardless, though, the convention is that a person with an honorary doctor is not called doctor. |
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5/24/17 2:00 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Nature Boy, when I call someone a witch doctor, it's not the same thing as saying Dr. Jones. I've never heard of the Roman Catholic "doctors of the church" and have no idea if they are referred to as Dr. Smith or not. But when someone has an honorary doctorate, you don't refer to them as Dr. David Jeremiah, for example. |
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Nature Boy Florida |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Nature Boy, when I call someone a witch doctor, it's not the same thing as saying Dr. Jones. I've never heard of the Roman Catholic "doctors of the church" and have no idea if they are referred to as Dr. Smith or not. But when someone has an honorary doctorate, you don't refer to them as Dr. David Jeremiah, for example. |
I guess everyone doesn't agree.
Certainly not the dictionary.
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5/24/17 2:14 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Aaron, Donald Trump just received an honorary doctorate from Liberty U. What do you think of Dr. Trump? |
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5/24/17 2:28 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | | Nature Boy, when I call someone a witch doctor, it's not the same thing as saying Dr. Jones. I've never heard of the Roman Catholic "doctors of the church" and have no idea if they are referred to as Dr. Smith or not. But when someone has an honorary doctorate, you don't refer to them as Dr. David Jeremiah, for example. |
I guess everyone doesn't agree.
Certainly not the dictionary. |
Nature boy, being something and being addressed as something aren't exactly the same thing. |
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