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bonnie knox |
| Link, apparently you've made the judgment yourself that this dream is from the Lord. Is it the content of the dream? The fact that the person who dreamed it felt it was from the Lord? What precisely are you basing that judgment on? |
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Elihu, Job's youngest comforter in the story, and the one who seems to get things right, told of how God warns men in visions of the night. Peter said that your old men will dream dreams. Isn't it normal for Christians to expect that God will at times give believers dreams from him?
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Link, you said this dream was dreamed by a woman. Is there anything in these verses that indicate to you that women will be given dreams from God? |
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5/22/16 1:56 pm
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| what if God is speaking in this dream...hmmmm |
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Could it be that this dream would be a call to prayer against spiritual attacks that would be vicious and possibly from a source that was unfamiliar to them.
Could it be the same God who spoke thru dreams 5 times in Matthew chapters 1 & 2 would dare to speak to us in dreams today.
Could it be that God loves us so much that He will speak to us in a variety of ways, some of which dare we might say even be a dream.
As with everything bath any dream in prayer and let God confirm his direction to us in many ways.
BTW, never and I mean never eat pizza after midnight ...(apologies to all Gremlin fans).  |
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5/22/16 9:05 pm
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Link wrote: |
Elihu, Job's youngest comforter in the story, and the one who seems to get things right, told of how God warns men in visions of the night. Peter said that your old men will dream dreams. Isn't it normal for Christians to expect that God will at times give believers dreams from him?
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Link, you said this dream was dreamed by a woman. Is there anything in these verses that indicate to you that women will be given dreams from God? |
Hmmm. Bonnie, do you really believe the Lord doesn't give women visions and dreams as well? Pilate's wife had a dream about Jesus, and knew that He was a righteous Man.
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5/22/16 9:18 pm
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| Patrick Harris wrote: | | Link wrote: | | Dreams can come from the flesh as well as from the LORD. But I never seen dreams attributed to food (pizza) in the Bible. I wonder why Pentecostals would jump to that. |
It's called humor, in the 30 plus years I've been in the Pentecostal church I'd said it's pretty common to hear someone mention "Quit eating food or pizza late in evening" when someone mentions having a dream they believe needs interpreting. |
Supposing a dream is from the Lord, do you think God would be pleased with people who dismiss it as pizza? Would God find it funny?
Just as far as humor goes, I don't find it funny as all. I can't laugh at the chicken crossing the road joke. I've heard it way too many times for it to still be funny. And it wasn't funny the first time I heard it.
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5/22/16 9:20 pm
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| Carolyn Smith wrote: |
There are some "pizza dreams" and flakes, but at times (not all the time) God can speak to us through our dreams...if we're listening.
Apparently, everything's a big joke here, Link. |
Something that is interesting to me reading Matthew 1 is how sensitive Joseph was to the bit of revelation he got. In Luke, we read about Gabriel actually appearing to Mary standing there. An angel appeared to Zecharias, too, and we comparing the two, Mary seem to respond with faith. Zecharias doubted and was struck dumb.
But consider Joseph in Matthew. We don't read about an angel actually appearing to him while he was awake. Joseph was asleep. He had a dream, and in the dream, an angel spoke to him.
I'd imagine in a culture where female virginity before marriage is the norm, (and to be otherwise might actually get a lynch mob death penalty if the Romans weren't around), for a man to marry a pregnant girl he did nor impregnate would have been a really big deal.
But Joseph did it because he had a dream in which an angel told him to. He was apparently sensitive to the Lord communicating with him, a man of faith, and also obedient.
Joseph also moved his family out of the country, to Egypt, in response to a dream. He moved them back based on a dream.
Now, if Joseph's friends had been like a lot of modern Pentecostals, they might have told him, "Don't marry that girl. Divorce her. That dream was probably just bad pizza. Hahahaha." How many people would respond positively to the idea of making an international move based on a dream?
Also, if I ever 'get stuck' with decision making for the family, for example, moving from one place or another, I pay attention to dreams. Paul had a vision of the night one night when he did not know where to minister, and it led him to sail with his group over the Aegean to minister to the Macedonians. The group was open to being led this way, because they concluded that it was the Lord's will.
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5/22/16 9:29 pm
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| Link wrote: | | Patrick Harris wrote: | | Link wrote: | | Dreams can come from the flesh as well as from the LORD. But I never seen dreams attributed to food (pizza) in the Bible. I wonder why Pentecostals would jump to that. |
It's called humor, in the 30 plus years I've been in the Pentecostal church I'd said it's pretty common to hear someone mention "Quit eating food or pizza late in evening" when someone mentions having a dream they believe needs interpreting. |
Supposing a dream is from the Lord, do you think God would be pleased with people who dismiss it as pizza? Would God find it funny?
Just as far as humor goes, I don't find it funny as all. I can't laugh at the chicken crossing the road joke. I've heard it way too many times for it to still be funny. And it wasn't funny the first time I heard it. |
I find it funny. Unfortunately you take things way to serious.
It reminds me of a friend who told someone they were sinning by playing a joke on him. Lighten up. |
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5/22/16 9:38 pm
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Can I git some sausage an bell peppers on my pizza?  |
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5/22/16 10:02 pm
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[quote="Patrick Harris"] | Link wrote: |
I find it funny. Unfortunately you take things way to serious.
It reminds me of a friend who told someone they were sinning by playing a joke on him. Lighten up. |
Some jokes could be sinful I suppose.
Proverbs 20
18 Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death,
19 Is the man who deceives his neighbor,
And says, “I was only joking!”
I don't consider calling a dream bad pizza a joke. It's just not funny enough to be a joke. Have you ever actually heard someone else laugh when another person attributed a dream to pizza?
If the dream is prophetic, dismissing someone's dream easily as bad pizza may be despising prophecy.
I've got a sense of humor, and I think most people would agree. I make jokes in my posts quite often. I tell jokes and laugh at jokes. I don't care for jokes that make God the brunt of it, like jokes that make God out to not be powerful enough to do something, things like that. If a joke isn't dirty or irreverent (and it's funny enough) then I laugh, too.
When I was in my early 20's, I did tell a man at a conference once who came up to me and pretended to have some kind of 'word' for me about working overseas, when someone I knew who knew I was thinking of working overseas put him up to it as a joke. I told him I didn't think it was funny. The guy who did it was a pastor, too. For me, that's something you don't joke around with. I can't remember if I reminded him that there was a death penalty in the Old Testament for prophesying falsely in the name of the Lord.
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5/22/16 11:41 pm
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Link, apparently you've made the judgment yourself that this dream is from the Lord. Is it the content of the dream? The fact that the person who dreamed it felt it was from the Lord? What precisely are you basing that judgment on? |
Something about this dream makes it seem to me that it could be. You could call it intuition.
I also notice that some dreams are short and have some fairly straightforward symbolism in them.
I've had dreams where I go around and do all kinds of stupid and crazy stuff that doesn't make sense. I don't usually think these types of dreams are from the Lord. But there are other dreams where there seems to be a message encoded that use symbols, like this dream has. I tend to pay more attention to these dreams. Of course, I just heard someone tell about this dream and I didn't dream it myself.
I discussed what I thought the dream may have meant with her, and I was just wondering if other people interpreted it the same way.
For me, if someone who has the Holy Spirit has a dream that he or she thinks may be from the Lord, my default attitude is that it may be. Having dreams from the Lord is a very Biblical thing. Even unbelievers can have them. Gideon went down to the Midianite camp and heard two men in a tent talking. One had a dream about a barley loaf knocking down a tent. The other one interpreted the dream to be about Gideon. These men were likely pagans. Nebucadnezzer had a dream. The book of Job tells us how the LORD warns men through a vision of the night.
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5/22/16 11:45 pm
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bonnie knox |
I asked you first! You are the one who reads verses and if they don't specifically say women, you think it excludes women, so that's why I wondered if you thought these verses which only mention men exclude women.
| Link wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | | Link wrote: |
Elihu, Job's youngest comforter in the story, and the one who seems to get things right, told of how God warns men in visions of the night. Peter said that your old men will dream dreams. Isn't it normal for Christians to expect that God will at times give believers dreams from him?
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Link, you said this dream was dreamed by a woman. Is there anything in these verses that indicate to you that women will be given dreams from God? |
Hmmm. Bonnie, do you really believe the Lord doesn't give women visions and dreams as well? Pilate's wife had a dream about Jesus, and knew that He was a righteous Man. |
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5/23/16 7:04 am
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bonnie knox |
LOL! I guess my racism is showing. I think of snarks as being white.
| Tom Sterbens wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: |
Ole Micaiah, at first, was prosephyin what was popular, an what everbody else was prophesyin. He had been watchin all the profits on JBN (Jerusalem Broadcastin Network). But right in the middle of his prophesyin he got convicted, renounced WOF prophecy, an hit the straight/narrow trail. |
I think he knew what he was doing when he prophesied what everybody else was saying; in other words, I think he was being snarky! |
I betcha Tom thinks the same thing.  |
Absolutely!
Except Bonnie missed the obvious part of the interpretation: The black creature with a fish head and sharp teeth was a SNARK.
(Discovery channel is going to have "Snark Week" this year - you'll see.) |
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5/23/16 7:08 am
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bonnie knox |
| Bottom line, we are to be led by the Holy Spirit. Most of the instances in scripture where someone "dreamed" something occurred before the advent of the Holy Spirit. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few instances in scripture that are referred to as "visions," but not a "dream" that happened to a believer after the advent of the Holy Spirit, so I can't really think of any examples. Obviously, the scripture does say old men will dream dreams. That said, why would you alter your course of action based on someone else's dream unless God's Spirit spoke directly to your spirit to alter your course of action?? |
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Link wrote:
"Supposing a dream is from the Lord, do you think God would be pleased with people who dismiss it as pizza? Would God find it funny? "
Well, supposing a dream is from pizza, do you think God would be pleased with people who claim it is from God? Would God find that funny? It works both ways.
Fact is, there are more such dreams sourced in intestinal distress than those that genuinely come from God. A dream from God would be clearly identified as such by God without a doubt. A healthy combination if intuition, intelligence and discernment is always appropriate. Ignore this and you will encounter severe disillusionment, disappointment and find yourself deceived. |
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[quote="Link"] | Patrick Harris wrote: | | Link wrote: |
I find it funny. Unfortunately you take things way to serious.
It reminds me of a friend who told someone they were sinning by playing a joke on him. Lighten up. |
Some jokes could be sinful I suppose.
Proverbs 20
18 Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death,
19 Is the man who deceives his neighbor,
And says, “I was only joking!”
I don't consider calling a dream bad pizza a joke. It's just not funny enough to be a joke. Have you ever actually heard someone else laugh when another person attributed a dream to pizza?
If the dream is prophetic, dismissing someone's dream easily as bad pizza may be despising prophecy.
I've got a sense of humor, and I think most people would agree. I make jokes in my posts quite often. I tell jokes and laugh at jokes. I don't care for jokes that make God the brunt of it, like jokes that make God out to not be powerful enough to do something, things like that. If a joke isn't dirty or irreverent (and it's funny enough) then I laugh, too.
When I was in my early 20's, I did tell a man at a conference once who came up to me and pretended to have some kind of 'word' for me about working overseas, when someone I knew who knew I was thinking of working overseas put him up to it as a joke. I told him I didn't think it was funny. The guy who did it was a pastor, too. For me, that's something you don't joke around with. I can't remember if I reminded him that there was a death penalty in the Old Testament for prophesying falsely in the name of the Lord. |
A Death Penalty that was never intended to be valid for believers today it was to a particular people and a specific time and is no longer valid today.
Apparently you just take things like this far more seriously than I do. |
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5/23/16 9:22 am
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[quote="Patrick Harris"] | Link wrote: |
Apparently you just take things like this far more seriously than I do. |
Paul wrote, 'for by the law comes the knowledge of sin.' We can read about the death penalty for false prophecy spoken in the name of the LORD, and lets us know that it is serious business. I am glad I take it seriously.
But I very much do believe in the genuine gift and I believe the saints should eagerly desire it.
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[quote="Link"] | Patrick Harris wrote: | | Link wrote: |
Apparently you just take things like this far more seriously than I do. |
Paul wrote, 'for by the law comes the knowledge of sin.' We can read about the death penalty for false prophecy spoken in the name of the LORD, and lets us know that it is serious business. I am glad I take it seriously.
But I very much do believe in the genuine gift and I believe the saints should eagerly desire it. |
Just so we clear on what I mean. I take the Bible seriously, but if someone had reminded me that there is a death penalty for false prophecy after I said something as a joke, I would tell them to stuff it and get a life.
Not everything is as serious as we think.
However, feel free to live a life in that confinement, I won't. I'm done. |
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5/25/16 12:10 pm
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bonnie knox |
DrDuck, do you think the dream Link mentioned in the original post is NOT from the Lord or is the verdict still out as far as you are concerned. If you feel it was just indigestion, what makes you think that? Is it because the dream seems odd or because it's just, in your way of thinking, statistically unlikely to be from the Lord? Or something else?
| DrDuck wrote: | Link wrote:
"Supposing a dream is from the Lord, do you think God would be pleased with people who dismiss it as pizza? Would God find it funny? "
Well, supposing a dream is from pizza, do you think God would be pleased with people who claim it is from God? Would God find that funny? It works both ways.
Fact is, there are more such dreams sourced in intestinal distress than those that genuinely come from God. A dream from God would be clearly identified as such by God without a doubt. A healthy combination if intuition, intelligence and discernment is always appropriate. Ignore this and you will encounter severe disillusionment, disappointment and find yourself deceived. |
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I took Bonnie's interpretation to be a psychological approach because her interpretation had to do with how the dreamer felt about him or her self. I don't care anything for the psychological approach to dream interpretation which involves an individual working through his own thoughts. IMO, if a dream is really about that, it may not deserve much thought. But if a dream is from the Lord, we should consider what it has to say. |
Link, I frequently remember my dreams. My dreams are often quite vivid and creative. I usually can map the thoughts, feelings, and fears that I have while awake to the situations or symbols in my dreams even though the dreams may be put together in an unusual way. In other words, people dream every time they go into REM sleep and that is normal. It is the normal nature of dreams to have a psychological explanation. You might say that is the default. So a dream that seems to fit the normal pattern of dreams is not going to stand out as a dream from the Lord unless the Lord indicates that it is. (Of course, spicy foods; certain medicines; or hormonal changes, such as occur in pregnancy, influence dreams, as well, and that is just a biological fact.) |
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