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| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Cojak wrote: |
So this place is located in mountains of NC. That might kind of explain some of this too. I don't know much about it, but from what I've read mountain folk tend to be sort of clannish. I can see if some of them still have that mentality that a strong religious figure could perhaps take advantage of them.
I don't know...just a thought. But hard to believe anyone would let someone control them that much in this day & age. |
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I used to go to church about 20 miles from there, closer to the mountains. Our pastor wasn't controlling. I don't know about other churches. Folks in that area probably were a bit more close knit with extended family than the people from the big cities in the US, but it didn't seem that 'clannish.' Kentucky seemed a bit more clannish.
Some southern Pentecostal churches tend to have strong pastors. That seems to be true of a lot of other Fundamentalists in the Southeast, too. WOFers also seem to have an authoritarian idea of the pastor role.
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| Link wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Cojak wrote: |
So this place is located in mountains of NC. That might kind of explain some of this too. I don't know much about it, but from what I've read mountain folk tend to be sort of clannish. I can see if some of them still have that mentality that a strong religious figure could perhaps take advantage of them.
I don't know...just a thought. But hard to believe anyone would let someone control them that much in this day & age. |
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I used to go to church about 20 miles from there, closer to the mountains. . |
He Link did you attend either Shingle Hollow or Nealsville? We fellowshiped with those churches.
We also fellowship-ed with an independent church closer to Lake Lure on 74. Oll those church had very concerned and loving pastors.
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Cults can happen in various places. Since they take advantage of natural human psychological reactions, they can happen to people from all walks of life.
The one dynamic that seems to be affected by modern technology and social media is that the secrecy and isolation are harder to maintain. Yet, if you look at this case, it seems there was possibly, in my opinion, corruption, or at the very least ineptitude, in local government that helped perpetuate the abuse. |
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| "specific methods cults use to maintain control" "BITE" method (L) |
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If you wonder how people get ensnared in cults, this diagram helps explain the mind control methods involved.
https://freedomofmind.com/bite-model/ |
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I read the entire article. The whole thing is so incredibly bizarre and unbelievably sad. Where in the world would anybody get the idea that demons could be beaten out of people? What a day of judgment is coming for Whaley and her wicked, deceiving co-conspirators!
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| Quote: | | Where in the world would anybody get the idea that demons could be beaten out of people? |
Smith Wigglesworth?
I heard of a case not long ago in New York where a young man (teenager?) was beaten to death by people supposedly trying to beat the devil out of him in a church service. It is truly sad. |
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From the outside it is hard to conceive, but if you are subjected to this from a child, it will become a part of you. Of course it is amazing the adult converts that fell for this madness. 
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| Cojak wrote: | | From the outside it is hard to conceive, but if you are subjected to this from a child, it will become a part of you. Of course it is amazing the adult converts that fell for this madness. :( |
What I'm puzzling over is how the bizarre ideas originated in the leadership, like the idea that beating demons out of people, imprisoning and torturing in a dungeon people is okay for a church to practice (Spanish Inquisition, maybe?), intimidating people into willfully deceiving others to cover up abuse is something God would will, etc. It's just all so crazy and so obviously unscriptural. Why would anybody fall for it? I honestly don't get it. |
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | | From the outside it is hard to conceive, but if you are subjected to this from a child, it will become a part of you. Of course it is amazing the adult converts that fell for this madness. |
What I'm puzzling over is how the bizarre ideas originated in the leadership, like the idea that beating demons out of people, imprisoning and torturing in a dungeon people is okay for a church to practice (Spanish Inquisition, maybe?), intimidating people into willfully deceiving others to cover up abuse is something God would will, etc. It's just all so crazy and so obviously unscriptural. Why would anybody fall for it? I honestly don't get it. |
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| Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | | From the outside it is hard to conceive, but if you are subjected to this from a child, it will become a part of you. Of course it is amazing the adult converts that fell for this madness. :( |
What I'm puzzling over is how the bizarre ideas originated in the leadership, like the idea that beating demons out of people, imprisoning and torturing in a dungeon people is okay for a church to practice (Spanish Inquisition, maybe?), intimidating people into willfully deceiving others to cover up abuse is something God would will, etc. It's just all so crazy and so obviously unscriptural. Why would anybody fall for it? I honestly don't get it. |
"..Absolute power corrupts absolutely..." |
And why would any sane individual think they should give absolute power over their lives to someone like that? |
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Carolyn Smith wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | | From the outside it is hard to conceive, but if you are subjected to this from a child, it will become a part of you. Of course it is amazing the adult converts that fell for this madness. |
What I'm puzzling over is how the bizarre ideas originated in the leadership, like the idea that beating demons out of people, imprisoning and torturing in a dungeon people is okay for a church to practice (Spanish Inquisition, maybe?), intimidating people into willfully deceiving others to cover up abuse is something God would will, etc. It's just all so crazy and so obviously unscriptural. Why would anybody fall for it? I honestly don't get it. |
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And why would any sane individual think they should give absolute power over their lives to someone like that? |
I don't know. The people who followed them are probably easily manipulated and perhaps already suffered some kind of abuse in their lives. They are used to being controlled/abused by others. It probably amounts to brainwashing. Very sad that people have allowed this to happen to them and their children...it's a whole new level of crazy and control.
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Well, Cojak, you have another church to add to your list of places to visit if you pass through NC. 
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| Quote: | | The people who followed them are probably easily manipulated and perhaps already suffered some kind of abuse in their lives. They are used to being controlled/abused by others. |
I don't know that this is the case. It could have started innocently as a desire to please God. So when the leader says "no TV because it corrupts," the adherents may be willing to give up TV because they agree that there are better ways to use their time. Over time, more and more things are controlled and it might seem the end justifies the means.
When our church first did what folks are calling the Daniel Fast, we came into church that Sunday morning and found a list on our bulletins of what foods we could and could not eat for the next 3 weeks. I was surprised at the number of people who felt obligated to try to comply without questioning. |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | The people who followed them are probably easily manipulated and perhaps already suffered some kind of abuse in their lives. They are used to being controlled/abused by others. |
I don't know that this is the case. It could have started innocently as a desire to please God. So when the leader says "no TV because it corrupts," the adherents may be willing to give up TV because they agree that there are better ways to use their time. Over time, more and more things are controlled and it might seem the end justifies the means.
When our church first did what folks are calling the Daniel Fast, we came into church that Sunday morning and found a list on our bulletins of what foods we could and could not eat for the next 3 weeks. I was surprised at the number of people who felt obligated to try to comply without questioning. |
VERY TIMELY point, in my opinion. 
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | The people who followed them are probably easily manipulated and perhaps already suffered some kind of abuse in their lives. They are used to being controlled/abused by others. |
I don't know that this is the case. It could have started innocently as a desire to please God. So when the leader says "no TV because it corrupts," the adherents may be willing to give up TV because they agree that there are better ways to use their time. Over time, more and more things are controlled and it might seem the end justifies the means.
When our church first did what folks are calling the Daniel Fast, we came into church that Sunday morning and found a list on our bulletins of what foods we could and could not eat for the next 3 weeks. I was surprised at the number of people who felt obligated to try to comply without questioning. |
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think anyone would stay in that abusive environment for a long period of time in a normal situation.
What I was trying to say about mountain folk is that 100 years ago, a lot of "mountain folk" were tight knit and usually controlled by family members, as in family feuds, etc. Those types of behaviors don't usually change quickly between the generations. So if someone grew up in that kind of environment, being controlled by someone else wouldn't be that different and they might be more accepting of it.
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and again I would point out Joe English. A person who should have known better than to get involved with this type group. A very talented singer, song writer musician that pretty much let WOFF stop him from singing and performing. |
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Rhema, well that says it all doesn't it? Haven't met one who wasn't a flake.
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There was a hint it was COG or a spin-off. |
I haven't found any connection. Jane Whaley was apparently a Rhema graduate, but "[u]pon hearing of the deliverances and their unbiblical twisting of the Scriptures concerning deliverance - in particular the case of a 54-year-old woman having a prescription-drug reaction who was held at WOFF for 13 days while members tried to expel demons - Hagin in the late 1980s distanced himself from the Whaleys, removed their affiliation with his Rhema group of churches, and denounced their deliverance teachings." |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | The people who followed them are probably easily manipulated and perhaps already suffered some kind of abuse in their lives. They are used to being controlled/abused by others. |
I don't know that this is the case. It could have started innocently as a desire to please God. So when the leader says "no TV because it corrupts," the adherents may be willing to give up TV because they agree that there are better ways to use their time. Over time, more and more things are controlled and it might seem the end justifies the means.
When our church first did what folks are calling the Daniel Fast, we came into church that Sunday morning and found a list on our bulletins of what foods we could and could not eat for the next 3 weeks. I was surprised at the number of people who felt obligated to try to comply without questioning. |
A pastor calling a fast is a little bit different than beating people up & telling married people not to have sex (which is not scriptural in any way.) Though I would decline doing a Daniel Fast since it would lead to my being in the bathroom for three weeks.
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