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Sin and Genetics

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **6/8/17 12:18 pm**

There are people who say homosexuality is genetic. I heard someone say that there is an adultery gene, and say what the name of the gene was (It had a number in it), and that it could be 'triggered' by certain marital problems.

Anyway, there is something researchers say: correlation doesn't prove causation.
if there is a correlation beween a gene and a sin, there could be something else behind it.

There may be something like 'spiritual genetics' or spiritual heritage. I wouldn't say it is a 'generational curse' per se, but maybe similar. God visits the iniquity of the fathers on the third and fourth generation, so there are some spiritual issues that can go down the family line, in this case, God visiting the sins of the fathers on the descendants. Of course it is possible for someone to break free of this, like we see in Ezekiel 18, and of course the New Testament.

If someone had an adulterous ancestor, and he was adulterous, and his son was adulterous, and it was either learned, or that weakness was inherited, it could be inherited without it being caused by a gene, but since there was a common ancestor, the same gene might show up.
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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **6/8/17 1:28 pm**

I can remember when the consensus about alcoholism , both professionally and non professional , was that it was all self inflicted. Then they found out later that the probability of becoming an alcoholic was in part due to a chemical imbalance in the brain that greatly increased the odds of becoming an alcoholic.

So who knows about the other.

Re: Sin and Genetics

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **6/8/17 3:07 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/8/17 4:12 pm**

Link, what did it mean for God to "visit" the iniquity of someone. Does that mean God made successive generations susceptible to the same sin?? It's that what God does?
Does it mean God had punishments that had ramifications for 3 or 4 generations?
Conversely, what does it mean for God to show love to thousands of generations that love him?

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **6/8/17 7:26 pm**

Not sure about generational curse old timer.

But if you don't believe a Dad can leave a mark that carries over to several generations - good or bad - then you haven't lived very long.
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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **6/8/17 8:14 pm**

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **6/8/17 10:17 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **6/8/17 11:50 pm**

Ezekiel 18.

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **6/9/17 8:29 am**

the disposition toward conflicting sexuality is genetic. ie femininity in boys and boyishness in girls

unfortunately the translation of homosexuality in the English (KJV) language is "effiminate" and this has led to much confusion. Femininity is not homosexuality but an effiminate boy is susceptible to allurement to homosexuality.

I'm not sure this addresses the thread of this post.
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/9/17 8:55 am**

Who defines effeminate? If a boy likes art more than sports, does that make him effeminate? If a boy is able to express his emotions openly, does that make him effeminate?
There may be a genetic component to homosexuality, but there may be personal experiences (such as sexual abuse) and cultural pressures that affect a person's sexuality.
Lots of girls who could be labeled "tomboys" are heterosexuals.

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **6/9/17 9:07 am**

Bonnie, what is your definition of an effeminate boy? Effeminate characteristics in a boy is a part of his God blessed creation. The same for tomboy characteristics in a girl.

Hetrosexuality is not a genetic order but a character instilled by the upbringing. God provides the plumbing and the parents build the home.
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **6/9/17 9:29 am**

Since I cannot fully grasp the OP, I want to express my concerns, because I see it in my extended family.

I worry about some 'honestly mislead parent' who has a boy who in their opinion shows 'effeminate' tendencies or a girl who is a 'Tom-boy' to start asking the child, 'Do you think you should have been a girl (or boy)?" OR "Would you like to BE a girl (or boy)?"

Asking this at an early age could possibly cause a major mental problem with the child. The 'sex change' idea might start being the 'parent's' decision.

This is probably an old man's ignorance to the new world order of genetics. Or completely out in left field for this post.
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/9/17 9:51 am**

Exposure to certain agriculture pesticides has been shown in animal studies to cause an animal to have both female and male sex organs. In humans, this condition is called true gonadal intersex. Just as I wouldn't rule out environment factors in sexual birth defects, I wouldn't rule out genetic factors in a person experiencing same-sex attraction.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/9/17 9:57 am**

I think you are the one with wisdom in this situation. To me it is unconscionable to ask a child if they want to change their sex when they are clearly, by DNA, one or the other.

Bonnie

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **6/9/17 10:10 am**

inter sex is an abnormality, a birth defect, and does not address the thread of the post.

apart from any birth defect (rare as it maybe) what is your definition of a boy or girl with opposing sexual identity, effiminate/tomboy?

It is not a preference of art over sports or frilly dressing over sports.
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/9/17 10:16 am**

Being a tomboy does not mean a girl thinks she is a boy; it might mean she just likes to climb trees and play army with her brothers. It is not a problem, it's not confusion, it's not sinful, and it does not mean she is confused about her sexual identity.

Bonnie

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **6/9/17 10:21 am**

same for a boy who wants to wear girls clothing doesn't make him a girl.

How far this extends into adulthood for boy and girls is questionable. The Bible does seem to address this, instruction-ally.
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Re: Bonnie

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/9/17 12:43 pm**

Well, Charles, I hope you get you a robe like the men were wearing when the law was given.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **6/9/17 1:12 pm**

Is there a genetic cause for a person to be a racist, an adulterer, a mass murderer, with an attraction to chimpanzees, given to simplistic interpretations of Scripture (e.g., male only elders), etc...???

Or, like ever other sinner, they made a choice?

I'm glad to see that OTCP doesn't believe in Original Sin...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **6/9/17 2:55 pm**

It's one more thing we can agree on (of which, I think, the grand total is three). Original sin is the, um, original generational curse.

Now, about generational curses.... We know that Ham's children were going to be servants. And it surely seems that Ishmael's propensity to have his hand against every many has carried on in his descendants. But I think that the term "curse" is likely not what we often mean. Instead, I think that if a grandfather models certain behaviors or attitudes, it can be ingrained into the next generation. I mean, does anyone think that a Hitler-loving racist redneck is not going to mess up his children? They will be told and taught to hate people based on color, religion, etc. It DOES carry over in some ways. But a curse is a supernatural thing. I don't think that's necessarily supernatural (although I wouldn't doubt there is a spirit of the devil behind it)....

Genetics can give someone a PROPENSITY. For instance, Indian genetics means that alcohol will affect them more easily than the standard white man. It doesn't mean they must or will become an alcoholic, but it does mean they are more likely to become one--especially when you factor in the environment in which many of them live (poverty, low self-esteem, etc.).

I have come to believe that homosexuals likely ARE born with some genetic propensity to homosexuality. It doesn't mean they will or must become one, but with the right stimuli--molestation, no suitable male figures, etc.--the urge might become virtually unmanageable.

Consider that in the heterosexual male, some have a much stronger sex drive. That doesn't mean they must or will become promiscuous, but it certainly can tilt the odds that way. At the same time, EVEN IF WE ARE BORN THAT WAY, we are still called to celibacy until marriage.

It can almost seem as if the devil, knowing our genetic coding, conspires up a range of situations and stimuli to "trigger" or worst behavior, doesn't it? I have little doubt that he might conspire in that direction for those that have the homosexual propensity.

Again, to have a propensity does not mean you don't have a choice. You do. It might be a more difficult choice to make and keep, but it is still a choice available to us.

I think the argument that is most convincing to me is the one where a gay person asks, "If this is a choice, then why in the world would I choose to be a way that alienates me from my family, that makes me feel wretched, that exposes me to deadly disease, etc.?" Indeed, why?

I say that it IS a choice...but that for some it is far, far easier to choose one way over another.