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Charlie Earl |
Lee University/PTS once again celebrate their academic identity as a theologically liberal institution by their hosting Yale theologian Miroslav Volf.
Volf suggests the legitimacy for same sex unions:
“I think God created male and female, as it says in Genesis, but not maleness and femaleness. I think maleness and femaleness is a question of cultural differentiation and kind of cultural play and I don’t play much stock into that. I don’t think there is theological – theological kind of weight to that distinction. It’s controversial, what I’m saying, theologically but that’s what I believe and I’ve written about it.”
A "question of culturatural differentiation" ????? Really?
I respectfully disagree and think he is unfortunately mistaken. The loss of sexual difference is leaving us poorer as a society. It is precisely because there are precious differences between male and female that we affirm marriage and reject its redefinition to include “same-sex marriages”.
Send your kids somewhere else, get a seminary degree somewhere else. I wish I did.
Who in our movement will call out the theological liberalism that permeates these denominational funded "academic" playgrounds?
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Do you know he supports same sex unions, or are you drawing that from the quote above? The reason I ask that is that the quote above would not in itself lend support necessarily to same sex unions.
The cultural differences would be stuff like "women like to shop, that's feminine; men like sports, that's masculine; women are indecisive auto drivers, that's a feminine trait; men are mechanical inclined, that's masculine; women are 'emotional,' so it is sissy to cry in public; it is not "masculine" to cry in public when frustrated." Those would be the kinds of issues which arguably are produced by culture. But, of course, as he mentioned his views are "controversial" which means some would argue that some of these differences are hardwired. In any case, his statement that you quoted says there is a difference between males and females, which would be things like chromosomes, reproductive organs, and sex hormones. |
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I would like someone with Lee to explain this.
Usually there is a simple explanation.
I would tend to agree - not every person needs an invite to our educational institution.
Again, I trust the leaders at Lee.
However, I would like them to explain their thinking and what actually took place.
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We need more evidence/info than that.
There are so many gender qualities that are based out of traditions and cultural pressure.
In our own culture, if a girl is athletic, outdoor-sy, and prefers pants to a dress-- she is a "tomboy" or ridiculed as something "worse". Likewise, a boy that prefers to stay inside, read, play an instrument, cook, etc. is a "momma's boy" or labeled as something "worse". "Women belong in the home. Men should mow the grass. Women should do the laundry. Men should change the oil in the car. Women should clean the bathroom. Men should make more money. Women should make (and take care of) more babies."
I have personally listened to, enjoyed and learned to disagree with Shane Claiborne, Leonard Sweet, Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Tony Campolo and others. I have some major differences with several that I listed and others that I didn't. One thing that I have appreciated about each of them is that they have made me think and think about what I believe and what I think that I know. This is what University is for. University isn't a production line for uniformity and group think. University is for building individuals who go back out into various and sundry fields, locations and occupations, creating and innovating, building upon the individuals gifts and strengths and in the process giving the University a reputation of being a destination place for this process to be successfully played out over and over again.
It should not threaten us that the world thinks differently than we do. It shouldn't threaten us that parts of the Body function and think differently than we do. Someone from the stage of the General Council said it very well, our young COG generation has options outside of the COG to be a part of great organizations that are planting churches, doing Mission and making a difference for the Kingdom. I would like for them to stay with us, the COG. We can't accomplish this by clinching our fists. Thanks to the proliferation of blogs, conferences and digital learning, our people have access to more thinkers and writers than ever before. Standing in our proverbial lawn while shaking a fist to the sky and yelling, "Get off my lawn", won't accomplish anything. Teaching our children that there are views out there different than our own and to engage those views inside and outside the church in the manner that Jesus would is what education is all about. Granted, my degree comes from a large, state University and not from a small, private Christian school but from my perspective, Dr. Conn and Lee University are to be applauded and celebrated for teaching a Christian work-force to think and to engage. Just my honest opinion.
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Wow! Amazing testimony and story! I wouldn't mind hearing a lecture on what he has to say. Sure to have some interesting insights.
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Easy WEB SEARCH will find his contention Christians and Muslims worship same God...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2015/12/16/the-same-god-12/
BELOW....From interview...https://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/articles/miroslav-volf-faith-and-reconciliation-a-personal-journey/
SHORTT: Can you give an example of how the Qur’an has enlarged your view of God?
VOLF: In the famous Surah 112, it is written, ‘Say, He is Allah, The One and Only; Allah the Eternal the Absolute; He begetteth not, Nor is He begotten; And there is None Like unto Him. ’As I read the text, I could have immediately focused on what looks like a negation of trinitarianism. And no doubt that is also what a Christian theologian needs to do when faced with this Surah. Instead, what struck me in the text was how exalted, unique and absolute Allah is represented as being. In some recent Christian theology God has often been reduced to the status of a companion or buddy, ‘who understands and shares our pain’. As I was reading the text I was reminded of how irreverent this kind of talk can be. You might say I did not need the Qur’an to remind me of that; biblical talk of God’s holiness and God’s dwelling in ‘inapproachable light’ could have done the same. And yet it was the Qur’an that reminded me of the absolute uniqueness of the God whom I worship as a Christian.
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I read your statement and then read his and I don't see where he said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Could you highlight or bold that part? I'm probably slower than most and honestly missed it. Thank you.
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| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | We need more evidence/info than that.
There are so many gender qualities that are based out of traditions and cultural pressure.
In our own culture, if a girl is athletic, outdoor-sy, and prefers pants to a dress-- she is a "tomboy" or ridiculed as something "worse". Likewise, a boy that prefers to stay inside, read, play an instrument, cook, etc. is a "momma's boy" or labeled as something "worse". "Women belong in the home. Men should mow the grass. Women should do the laundry. Men should change the oil in the car. Women should clean the bathroom. Men should make more money. Women should make (and take care of) more babies."
I have personally listened to, enjoyed and learned to disagree with Shane Claiborne, Leonard Sweet, Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Tony Campolo and others. I have some major differences with several that I listed and others that I didn't. One thing that I have appreciated about each of them is that they have made me think and think about what I believe and what I think that I know. This is what University is for. University isn't a production line for uniformity and group think. University is for building individuals who go back out into various and sundry fields, locations and occupations, creating and innovating, building upon the individuals gifts and strengths and in the process giving the University a reputation of being a destination place for this process to be successfully played out over and over again.
It should not threaten us that the world thinks differently than we do. It shouldn't threaten us that parts of the Body function and think differently than we do. Someone from the stage of the General Council said it very well, our young COG generation has options outside of the COG to be a part of great organizations that are planting churches, doing Mission and making a difference for the Kingdom. I would like for them to stay with us, the COG. We can't accomplish this by clinching our fists. Thanks to the proliferation of blogs, conferences and digital learning, our people have access to more thinkers and writers than ever before. Standing in our proverbial lawn while shaking a fist to the sky and yelling, "Get off my lawn", won't accomplish anything. Teaching our children that there are views out there different than our own and to engage those views inside and outside the church in the manner that Jesus would is what education is all about. Granted, my degree comes from a large, state University and not from a small, private Christian school but from my perspective, Dr. Conn and Lee University are to be applauded and celebrated for teaching a Christian work-force to think and to engage. Just my honest opinion. |
Wonder of majority COG folks in pew would see the "mission" of their institutions in this same perspective --- unfortunately they are clueless to the theological declension of Lee and PTS that has devolved over past 25 years.
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| Are you a pastor/member? If so, have you called the proper leadership to ask them this question? |
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| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | | I read your statement and then read his and I don't see where he said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Could you highlight or bold that part? I'm probably slower than most and honestly missed it. Thank you. |
Thanks. No the quote I used does not have him stating that.
But there are numerous places -- his book on "Allah" -- where he states such with phrase "significantly similar". What brought to my attention was his defense of the Wheaton College prof who was fired because of her contention that Muslims and Christians worship same God.
I would look at his debate on Ravi Zacharias site where he defended his view against a Muslim convert contending Christians do not.
Here is one link: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2015/12/16/the-same-god-12/
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Our Mission
Lee is a Christian institution which offers liberal arts and professional education on both the baccalaureate and graduate levels through residential and distance programs. We seek to provide education that integrates biblical truth as revealed in the Holy Scriptures with truth discovered through the study of arts and sciences and in the practice of various professions. A personal commitment to Jesus Christ as Savior is the controlling perspective from which our educational enterprise is carried out. The foundational purpose of all educational programs at Lee is to develop within the students knowledge, appreciation, understanding, ability, and skills which will prepare them for responsible Christian living in a complex world.
From the Expanded Statement of Institutional Purpose:
An integral part of the university mission is a commitment to training responsible citizens to contribute their God-given gifts to the community at large. The Lee University experience intends to demonstrate that there is a positive correlation between scholarship and wholeness; that one must approach all learning with a sense of privilege and responsibility under God; that truth is truth wherever it is found, whether test tube, literary or artistic masterpiece or Holy Scripture; that appropriate integration of truth is both intellectual and behavioral in nature; and that the pursuit and application of truth is, indeed, "ministry."
Sounds like this is the mission of the University.
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| Charlie Earl wrote: | | Brandon Bohannon wrote: | | I read your statement and then read his and I don't see where he said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Could you highlight or bold that part? I'm probably slower than most and honestly missed it. Thank you. |
Thanks. No the quote I used does not have him stating that.
But there are numerous places -- his book on "Allah" -- where he states such with phrase "significantly similar". What brought to my attention was his defense of the Wheaton College prof who was fired because of her contention that Muslims and Christians worship same God.
I would look at his debate on Ravi Zacharias site where he defended his view against a Muslim convert contending Christians do not.
Here is one link: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2015/12/16/the-same-god-12/ |
I will check it out. Thank you.
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| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | Our Mission
Lee is a Christian institution which offers liberal arts and professional education on both the baccalaureate and graduate levels through residential and distance programs. We seek to provide education that integrates biblical truth as revealed in the Holy Scriptures with truth discovered through the study of arts and sciences and in the practice of various professions. A personal commitment to Jesus Christ as Savior is the controlling perspective from which our educational enterprise is carried out. The foundational purpose of all educational programs at Lee is to develop within the students knowledge, appreciation, understanding, ability, and skills which will prepare them for responsible Christian living in a complex world.
From the Expanded Statement of Institutional Purpose:
An integral part of the university mission is a commitment to training responsible citizens to contribute their God-given gifts to the community at large. The Lee University experience intends to demonstrate that there is a positive correlation between scholarship and wholeness; that one must approach all learning with a sense of privilege and responsibility under God; that truth is truth wherever it is found, whether test tube, literary or artistic masterpiece or Holy Scripture; that appropriate integration of truth is both intellectual and behavioral in nature; and that the pursuit and application of truth is, indeed, "ministry."
Sounds like this is the mission of the University. |
Well, then they are on track I guess.
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| Charlie Earl wrote: | | Brandon Bohannon wrote: | We need more evidence/info than that.
There are so many gender qualities that are based out of traditions and cultural pressure.
In our own culture, if a girl is athletic, outdoor-sy, and prefers pants to a dress-- she is a "tomboy" or ridiculed as something "worse". Likewise, a boy that prefers to stay inside, read, play an instrument, cook, etc. is a "momma's boy" or labeled as something "worse". "Women belong in the home. Men should mow the grass. Women should do the laundry. Men should change the oil in the car. Women should clean the bathroom. Men should make more money. Women should make (and take care of) more babies."
I have personally listened to, enjoyed and learned to disagree with Shane Claiborne, Leonard Sweet, Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Tony Campolo and others. I have some major differences with several that I listed and others that I didn't. One thing that I have appreciated about each of them is that they have made me think and think about what I believe and what I think that I know. This is what University is for. University isn't a production line for uniformity and group think. University is for building individuals who go back out into various and sundry fields, locations and occupations, creating and innovating, building upon the individuals gifts and strengths and in the process giving the University a reputation of being a destination place for this process to be successfully played out over and over again.
It should not threaten us that the world thinks differently than we do. It shouldn't threaten us that parts of the Body function and think differently than we do. Someone from the stage of the General Council said it very well, our young COG generation has options outside of the COG to be a part of great organizations that are planting churches, doing Mission and making a difference for the Kingdom. I would like for them to stay with us, the COG. We can't accomplish this by clinching our fists. Thanks to the proliferation of blogs, conferences and digital learning, our people have access to more thinkers and writers than ever before. Standing in our proverbial lawn while shaking a fist to the sky and yelling, "Get off my lawn", won't accomplish anything. Teaching our children that there are views out there different than our own and to engage those views inside and outside the church in the manner that Jesus would is what education is all about. Granted, my degree comes from a large, state University and not from a small, private Christian school but from my perspective, Dr. Conn and Lee University are to be applauded and celebrated for teaching a Christian work-force to think and to engage. Just my honest opinion. |
Wonder of majority COG folks in pew would see the "mission" of their institutions in this same perspective --- unfortunately they are clueless to the theological declension of Lee and PTS that has devolved over past 25 years. |
Where I live, not one person on the "pew" is a COG folk. Granted, I'm not in the SE US. I teach COG doctrine and I/we support COG events/programs but outside of me, my spouse and our children's pastor, they'd be Independent tomorrow. They don't dislike what they've learned about the COG, they just don't feel loyalty to any denomination. They are great people. We've been together for six years. It is what it is. They are former Athiests, Assemblies of God, Baptists, Catholics, Church of Christ, Episcopalians, Heathens, Independents, Jehovah Witnesses, Lutherans, Methodists, and others. They just love Jesus and each other. So they'd be in whatever percentage of people that wouldn't know or care as long as it is following Jesus and on Mission.
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| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | We need more evidence/info than that.
There are so many gender qualities that are based out of traditions and cultural pressure.
In our own culture, if a girl is athletic, outdoor-sy, and prefers pants to a dress-- she is a "tomboy" or ridiculed as something "worse". Likewise, a boy that prefers to stay inside, read, play an instrument, cook, etc. is a "momma's boy" or labeled as something "worse". "Women belong in the home. Men should mow the grass. Women should do the laundry. Men should change the oil in the car. Women should clean the bathroom. Men should make more money. Women should make (and take care of) more babies."
I have personally listened to, enjoyed and learned to disagree with Shane Claiborne, Leonard Sweet, Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Tony Campolo and others. I have some major differences with several that I listed and others that I didn't. One thing that I have appreciated about each of them is that they have made me think and think about what I believe and what I think that I know. This is what University is for. University isn't a production line for uniformity and group think. University is for building individuals who go back out into various and sundry fields, locations and occupations, creating and innovating, building upon the individuals gifts and strengths and in the process giving the University a reputation of being a destination place for this process to be successfully played out over and over again.
It should not threaten us that the world thinks differently than we do. It shouldn't threaten us that parts of the Body function and think differently than we do. Someone from the stage of the General Council said it very well, our young COG generation has options outside of the COG to be a part of great organizations that are planting churches, doing Mission and making a difference for the Kingdom. I would like for them to stay with us, the COG. We can't accomplish this by clinching our fists. Thanks to the proliferation of blogs, conferences and digital learning, our people have access to more thinkers and writers than ever before. Standing in our proverbial lawn while shaking a fist to the sky and yelling, "Get off my lawn", won't accomplish anything. Teaching our children that there are views out there different than our own and to engage those views inside and outside the church in the manner that Jesus would is what education is all about. Granted, my degree comes from a large, state University and not from a small, private Christian school but from my perspective, Dr. Conn and Lee University are to be applauded and celebrated for teaching a Christian work-force to think and to engage. Just my honest opinion. |
Based on the folks you quote, I understand where you are coming from.
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| Charlie Earl wrote: | | Brandon Bohannon wrote: | We need more evidence/info than that.
There are so many gender qualities that are based out of traditions and cultural pressure.
In our own culture, if a girl is athletic, outdoor-sy, and prefers pants to a dress-- she is a "tomboy" or ridiculed as something "worse". Likewise, a boy that prefers to stay inside, read, play an instrument, cook, etc. is a "momma's boy" or labeled as something "worse". "Women belong in the home. Men should mow the grass. Women should do the laundry. Men should change the oil in the car. Women should clean the bathroom. Men should make more money. Women should make (and take care of) more babies."
I have personally listened to, enjoyed and learned to disagree with Shane Claiborne, Leonard Sweet, Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Tony Campolo and others. I have some major differences with several that I listed and others that I didn't. One thing that I have appreciated about each of them is that they have made me think and think about what I believe and what I think that I know. This is what University is for. University isn't a production line for uniformity and group think. University is for building individuals who go back out into various and sundry fields, locations and occupations, creating and innovating, building upon the individuals gifts and strengths and in the process giving the University a reputation of being a destination place for this process to be successfully played out over and over again.
It should not threaten us that the world thinks differently than we do. It shouldn't threaten us that parts of the Body function and think differently than we do. Someone from the stage of the General Council said it very well, our young COG generation has options outside of the COG to be a part of great organizations that are planting churches, doing Mission and making a difference for the Kingdom. I would like for them to stay with us, the COG. We can't accomplish this by clinching our fists. Thanks to the proliferation of blogs, conferences and digital learning, our people have access to more thinkers and writers than ever before. Standing in our proverbial lawn while shaking a fist to the sky and yelling, "Get off my lawn", won't accomplish anything. Teaching our children that there are views out there different than our own and to engage those views inside and outside the church in the manner that Jesus would is what education is all about. Granted, my degree comes from a large, state University and not from a small, private Christian school but from my perspective, Dr. Conn and Lee University are to be applauded and celebrated for teaching a Christian work-force to think and to engage. Just my honest opinion. |
Based on the folks you quote, I understand where you are coming from. |
I actually chose the names of the people I disagree with the most and that make me the most uncomfortable-- but that have made me think. 
I actually prefer to quote Jesus.
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| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | | Charlie Earl wrote: | | Brandon Bohannon wrote: | We need more evidence/info than that.
There are so many gender qualities that are based out of traditions and cultural pressure.
In our own culture, if a girl is athletic, outdoor-sy, and prefers pants to a dress-- she is a "tomboy" or ridiculed as something "worse". Likewise, a boy that prefers to stay inside, read, play an instrument, cook, etc. is a "momma's boy" or labeled as something "worse". "Women belong in the home. Men should mow the grass. Women should do the laundry. Men should change the oil in the car. Women should clean the bathroom. Men should make more money. Women should make (and take care of) more babies."
I have personally listened to, enjoyed and learned to disagree with Shane Claiborne, Leonard Sweet, Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Tony Campolo and others. I have some major differences with several that I listed and others that I didn't. One thing that I have appreciated about each of them is that they have made me think and think about what I believe and what I think that I know. This is what University is for. University isn't a production line for uniformity and group think. University is for building individuals who go back out into various and sundry fields, locations and occupations, creating and innovating, building upon the individuals gifts and strengths and in the process giving the University a reputation of being a destination place for this process to be successfully played out over and over again.
It should not threaten us that the world thinks differently than we do. It shouldn't threaten us that parts of the Body function and think differently than we do. Someone from the stage of the General Council said it very well, our young COG generation has options outside of the COG to be a part of great organizations that are planting churches, doing Mission and making a difference for the Kingdom. I would like for them to stay with us, the COG. We can't accomplish this by clinching our fists. Thanks to the proliferation of blogs, conferences and digital learning, our people have access to more thinkers and writers than ever before. Standing in our proverbial lawn while shaking a fist to the sky and yelling, "Get off my lawn", won't accomplish anything. Teaching our children that there are views out there different than our own and to engage those views inside and outside the church in the manner that Jesus would is what education is all about. Granted, my degree comes from a large, state University and not from a small, private Christian school but from my perspective, Dr. Conn and Lee University are to be applauded and celebrated for teaching a Christian work-force to think and to engage. Just my honest opinion. |
Wonder of majority COG folks in pew would see the "mission" of their institutions in this same perspective --- unfortunately they are clueless to the theological declension of Lee and PTS that has devolved over past 25 years. |
Where I live, not one person on the "pew" is a COG folk. Granted, I'm not in the SE US. I teach COG doctrine and I/we support COG events/programs but outside of me, my spouse and our children's pastor, they'd be Independent tomorrow. They don't dislike what they've learned about the COG, they just don't feel loyalty to any denomination. They are great people. We've been together for six years. It is what it is. They are former Athiests, Assemblies of God, Baptists, Catholics, Church of Christ, Episcopalians, Heathens, Independents, Jehovah Witnesses, Lutherans, Methodists, and others. They just love Jesus and each other. So they'd be in whatever percentage of people that wouldn't know or care as long as it is following Jesus and on Mission. |
My issue is the lack of clarity in what those members, who are committed to this denomination and what THEY understand as the mission of their educational institutions. That these entities, which I dentify with the COG and are supported by the COG, have theological differences than what has been historically printed and taught by this movement.
That's all I am addressing here. Or trying I guess...
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I appreciate your concern even if I don't see or know enough to agree with it.
Do you have a student at Lee?
Have you spoken to administration about your concerns?
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Just for fun, I wonder how "our" theology profs would answer:
Were Adam and Eve literal historical individuals? Are we to take the account of Genesis of an actual Adam and Eve literally or figuratively?
Then ask your church member the same question.
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| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | I appreciate your concern even if I don't see or know enough to agree with it.
Do you have a student at Lee?
Have you spoken to administration about your concerns? |
I am a COG -- alumnus of seminary. Yes, students at Lee.
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