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bonnie knox |
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When the Psalmist says in Psalm 119:136 that he has cried "rivers of tears"- does that mean that the Hudson, The Tigris, and the Euphrates literally poured from his tear ducts? |
When Ella Fitzgerald said it, I believed it.  |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 9/13/16 1:05 pm

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Old Time Country Preacher |
Is the Hyper-bole kinda like Hyper-wof or Hyper-grace?
Or, is Hyper-bole more like Super-bole or Rose-bole? |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 9/13/16 2:52 pm
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| Da Sheik wrote: | | I agree with Zefo and Wyatt. The examples you cited are not hyperbole. They are actual recorded historical miracles, which I also affirm to be true without question. |
I'm only quoting this because it is so rare that someone here has agreed with me. I don't post often but I lurk ... |
Friendly Face Posts: 395 9/13/16 3:31 pm
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| Da Sheik wrote: | Cut your hand off, pluck out your eye, etc. Camel through the eye of a needle. These are shocking statements (hyperbole) intended to shock the listener into thoughtful consideration of spiritual truths.
The bible is replete with hyperbole and symbolism Revelation 14:20 |
One thing I think we need to consider with the first verse you referenced is that the actual hand or eye does not cause a person to sin. They are merely responding to the person they are attached to. |
Acts-celerater Posts: 651 9/13/16 4:53 pm
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| Da Sheik wrote: | | I agree with Zefo and Wyatt. The examples you cited are not hyperbole. They are actual recorded historical miracles, which I also affirm to be true without question. |
If it happened, it is not hyperbole, even if the happening is illogical. Sorta like the person who says, if I can do it, it ain't bragging.
The example of Peter walking on water is illogical, of course! BUT it happened. Things like say to the mountain be moved and cast into the sea, has NOT happened and most likely never will be cone physically!
So I too agree with Da Sheik, Z and QW.  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 9/13/16 7:47 pm

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My intent of this thread |
Ernie Long |
was not to discredit or place doubt on the miracles that Jesus or anyone else did and I'm sure not trying to cast doubt on God's Word. I know the scriptures I cited were events and not sayings, but why believe one over another?
I personally will not tell someone who is facing a dire circumstance and they tell me, "Jesus said, "With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible", and He also said, "All things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive." That He didn't really mean it, He said just those things to give us false faith or to make a point.
Really??? Romans 3:3-4 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
As I said in the original post, "In all seriousness, would those of you who believe Jesus used hyperbole's, please give us all the scriptures that are meant to be taken as such and why?" There are a lot of scriptures being given as examples as hyperboles, but I'm not seeing the why they are believed to be hyperbole.
I am just wanting to understand why it is so hard to believe, with God all things are possible? |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1050 9/14/16 7:37 am
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OTCP |
wayne |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Wyatt speaks the truth! |
Is this hyperbole? Does QW speak the truth all the time? Is he capable of speaking the truth all the time? |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 9/14/16 8:02 am
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Re: OTCP |
Old Time Country Preacher |
| wayne wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Wyatt speaks the truth! |
Is this hyperbole? Does QW speak the truth all the time? Is he capable of speaking the truth all the time? |
If you had included context in my statement, this question would be irrelevant. ALL error is based on faulty hermeneutics, much of which has to do with context. |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 9/14/16 8:25 am
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Re: OTCP |
wayne |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | wayne wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Wyatt speaks the truth! |
Is this hyperbole? Does QW speak the truth all the time? Is he capable of speaking the truth all the time? |
If you had included context in my statement, this question would be irrelevant. ALL error is based on faulty hermeneutics, much of which has to do with context. |
You didn't include context. You simply said QW speaks the truth. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 9/14/16 8:53 am
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bonnie knox |
| At Greek word "speaks" means "is now speaking." Folks, don't let faulty exegesis trip you up. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 9/14/16 9:28 am

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wayne |
Bonnie,
So OTCP is now speaking in greek terms? Do I need a greek dictionary to get the true meaning of his comments? |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 9/14/16 9:45 am
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Re: OTCP |
Old Time Country Preacher |
| wayne wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | wayne wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Wyatt speaks the truth! |
Is this hyperbole? Does QW speak the truth all the time? Is he capable of speaking the truth all the time? |
If you had included context in my statement, this question would be irrelevant. ALL error is based on faulty hermeneutics, much of which has to do with context. |
You didn't include context. You simply said QW speaks the truth. |
Wayne, did you sleep through English Grammar 101, 102, 103, 104? Son, the antecedent of my comment were the previous (to my comment) statement made by Wyatt. |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 9/14/16 10:27 am
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Re: OTCP |
wayne |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | wayne wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | wayne wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Wyatt speaks the truth! |
Is this hyperbole? Does QW speak the truth all the time? Is he capable of speaking the truth all the time? |
If you had included context in my statement, this question would be irrelevant. ALL error is based on faulty hermeneutics, much of which has to do with context. |
You didn't include context. You simply said QW speaks the truth. |
Wayne, did you sleep through English Grammar 101, 102, 103, 104? Son, the antecedent of my comment were the previous (to my comment) statement made by Wyatt. |
How did you know? I went to Newport public schools and to NKU and because we were so poor(dad being laid off from the plant an all) I had to work starting at age 12 so, yes I probably did sleep through these classes)
My point in the question was: all statements can be classified as hyperbole. Wyatt speaks the truth on this subject or any subject is open to scrutiny. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 9/14/16 10:59 am
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Quiet Wyatt |
No, all statements definitely cannot be rightly classified as hyperbole.
Yes, anything I may say is definitely open to scrutiny.  |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 9/14/16 11:32 am
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Da Sheik |
I don't know about all this hyperbole stuff, but I just ate a ton of bacon on my sandwich!!!  |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1865 9/14/16 11:50 am

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This whole thread |
brotherjames |
is a truly SAD commentary on the state of the ministry in America today and especially so in light of the fact that this forum is a "representation" of Pentecostal (CoG) theology supposedly. Truly sad.
You all or as they say in the CoG, Y'All, might want to reconsider your comments in light of a basic tenet of the CoG and AG -
2 Tim 3:16 NIV All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2 Tim 3:16 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
2 Peter 1:20 KJV Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Shame on y'all, shame. Sad indeed. |
Acts-celerater Posts: 935 9/14/16 2:35 pm

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Really, what is sad... |
Mark Ledbetter |
is some folk just can't accept literary criticism as a valid instrument for interpreting Scripture. Scripture is divinely inspired, but it is literature.
Found within the Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are literary devices that can shed a better light on some passages and themes.
Within the Scriptures we find:
Historical Narrative
Prose
Poetry
Apocalyptic Themes
Figurative Speech/simile/metaphor
Hyperbole
Idiom
Classifying certain passages by any of the above, or other categories not mention, does no disservice to the Scriptures, but actually enhance our understanding.
Therefore, it is possible to not only take passages literally, but also figuratively. It is within the scope of imagination to use exaggerated speech, hyperbole, for emphasis.
An example:
"You have heard it said, 'You shall not commit adultery'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." [Matthew 5:27-28. Point here - sin is a heart issue (see Matthew 15:18-20).
"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell. If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell" (Matthew 5:29-30.)
Point here, in light of previous verses, if sin is simply a matter of body parts acting badly, just remove them from your body and let them suffer the consequences of their sin rather than the rest of the body suffer.
Is the point Jesus is making addressing sin from the heart or sin in the members. Ultimately, who/what suffers for sin - the body? Certainly not. The soul, absolutely. _________________ God-Honoring
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Golf Cart Mafia Associate Posts: 2109 9/14/16 6:19 pm
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Re: Really, what is sad... |
Old Time Country Preacher |
| Mark Ledbetter wrote: | is some folk just can't accept literary criticism as a valid instrument for interpreting Scripture. Scripture is divinely inspired, but it is literature.
Found within the Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are literary devices that can shed a better light on some passages and themes.
Within the Scriptures we find:
Historical Narrative
Prose
Poetry
Apocalyptic Themes
Figurative Speech/simile/metaphor
Hyperbole
Idiom
Classifying certain passages by any of the above, or other categories not mention, does no disservice to the Scriptures, but actually enhance our understanding.
Therefore, it is possible to not only take passages literally, but also figuratively. It is within the scope of imagination to use exaggerated speech, hyperbole, for emphasis.
An example:
"You have heard it said, 'You shall not commit adultery'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." [Matthew 5:27-28. Point here - sin is a heart issue (see Matthew 15:18-20).
"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell. If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell" (Matthew 5:29-30.)
Point here, in light of previous verses, if sin is simply a matter of body parts acting badly, just remove them from your body and let them suffer the consequences of their sin rather than the rest of the body suffer.
Is the point Jesus is making addressing sin from the heart or sin in the members. Ultimately, who/what suffers for sin - the body? Certainly not. The soul, absolutely. |
PREACH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 9/14/16 7:44 pm
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Re: My intent of this thread |
peterz3fo |
| Ernie Long wrote: |
As I said in the original post, "In all seriousness, would those of you who believe Jesus used hyperbole's, please give us all the scriptures that are meant to be taken as such and why?" There are a lot of scriptures being given as examples as hyperboles, but I'm not seeing the why they are believed to be hyperbole.
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I think you just don't understand hyperbole. It's a grammar issue, not a theological one.
And I just now saw "BrotherJames" comment ... Sigh... |
Friendly Face Posts: 395 9/15/16 4:31 pm
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | Mark 10:29And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
So, if understood strictly literally, one who leaves his house, brothers, sisters, mother or wife for the sake of Christ and the gospel, will literally receive a hundred times as many houses, family members, etc. in this life, along with persecutions. |
how many really leave for His sake?
And does communal ownership in this life count? _________________ Link |
Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 9/15/16 8:39 pm
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