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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | But I am a small thinker. |
What you are, Cojak, is the eternal optimist--one of the things I really enjoy about you.
The other day I was at the grocery store. I saw a penny next to the cart return. Yep, even knowing how little a penny is worth, I picked it up. I thought, "Picking up a penny is something my friend Cojak says he does, too, so I'm going to smile thinking about him." |
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6/1/17 11:51 am
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| Re: Is it a sin to mow your lawn on Sunday afternoon? |
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| Cojak wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | | Cojak wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | | Da Sheik wrote: | | This debate ensued in one of our adult Sunday School classes. |
If this is a debate. Teaching is sorely needed. |
That was a cheap shot Brad. Much beneath you.
I have been in many SS classes where the discussions run amuck (Even happens quite often here!), and in many ways folk were taught! Probably in this case maybe some eyes were opened.  |
There was nothing cheap about it.
These folks don't understand:
a. The Sabbath.
b. That we are not under law.
c. How Jesus fulfilled the law.
These are pretty basic concepts. I use opportunities like this as teaching points with my children and people in a church setting. If we don't use situations like this as indicators of areas where teaching is needed, we will still be debating this issues 2,000 after the cross. 15 years after the cross, the apostles were still debating whether Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved...it wasn't a cheap shot to see that Paul had work to do teaching them about the new covenant.
You over-reacted to my statement. |
You see Brad, I assumed since the discussion came up that teaching did occur. You seemed to assume that there was none and that the parishioners were still ignorant of Sabbath and Sunday.
I thought DaSheik posted to see the reaction on the forum. From the pew I enjoy that type of discussion to try to separate the Law from Grace. I considered the place (SS) of the discussion and thought 'What a great discussion point.' But I am a small thinker.  |
You are not a small thinker.
When adults don't understand some basics, teaching is needed.
One has to reasonably wonder, if the OP, is asking if it is a sin to mow on Sunday, if the original poster remains unsure. Either way, discussion and teaching are sorely needed for all those sincerely asking.
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| Re: Is it a sin to mow your lawn on Sunday afternoon? |
Da Sheik |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | One has to reasonably wonder, if the OP, is asking if it is a sin to mow on Sunday, if the original poster remains unsure. Either way, discussion and teaching are sorely needed for all those sincerely asking. |
I addressed my personal thoughts on the subject in a comment subsequent to the original post. Keep up and pay attention BF 
To give more context on this whole thread: I was not in the class. One of our senior adult class teachers told me about it and wanted to know if he handled things the right way. It was a spirited debate but there were no fisticuffs. I can assure everyone that this teacher is very knowledgeable and skilled in rightly dividing the Word.
I love the fact that questions and dialogue takes place in our Sunday School classes. This is the only church I have ever pastored with a thriving Sunday School. But one of the reasons is our teaching staff. We have several university professors (one of them is a female, Bonnie  ) , an engineer with Microsoft, and several others that really know the Bible.
I know Brad is shocked, but there are many within the body of Christ (even learned men with earned degrees) who hold various views concerning the Christian and his/her relationship/responsibility to the Sabbath. I posted this in hopes we can dialogue more about the whole law/grace dichotomy. But in a more narrow sense- what, if any responsibility does the Christian have in terms of the Sabbath? |
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6/1/17 3:21 pm
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| Quote: | | We have several university professors (one of them is a female, Bonnie ) |
The only thing left to ask is if the university is accredited.  |
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6/1/17 3:28 pm
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| Re: Is it a sin to mow your lawn on Sunday afternoon? |
Cojak |
| Da Sheik wrote: | | .....I know Brad is shocked, but there are many within the body of Christ (even learned men with earned degrees) who hold various views concerning the Christian and his/her relationship/responsibility to the Sabbath. I posted this in hopes we can dialogue more about the whole law/grace dichotomy. But in a more narrow sense- what, if any responsibility does the Christian have in terms of the Sabbath? |
I was just trying to comment with your comment at the beginning DASheik said:
I don't mow grass on Sundays because I know my neighbors would take offense and view it as disrespectful to God. But I don't believe there is any biblical support for Sabbath-observance binding upon New Testament Christians. No one really keeps the Sabbath as defined in the Bible anyway. Folks didn't go to church on the Sabbath day in the OT. The same ones who would cry foul over mowing a lawn on Sunday would think nothing of having their wives slave over a hot stove cooking their meal and cleaning up after them.
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Now to your comment YES as a child of the 30-40's NO ONE WOULD DARE CUT THEIR GRASS ON SUNDAY (Church folk of not). Me being very wise to the Scripture happen to know there is a difference in Sabbath and Sunday, but many of my peers for 80 years have never separated a few things in the OT and NT. Law and Grace. I ain't gonna call 'em ignorant. It is not a salvation related belief.
But I can believe that some discussions on this subject would be very heated. Sorta like Tithe! LOL 
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6/1/17 3:31 pm
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Cojak |
Of course I do not think mowing grass on Sunday is a sin. However many of my peers do. WE were taught this from children. Not that it was a sin, but a respect of God on His day. That is how is came across. Then as time went on it became not just a suggestion but a sin.
Sorta like mixed bathing, rings, and bobbing the hair. Being WRONG on such things is not a 'Hell bent' thing. There are still many unsaved folk who do not know anything about the Sabbath but KNOW that SUNDAY is the Lord's day. And what ever influence you might have would be SHOT if the friend or kin knew you cut your grass on SUNDAY!
Silly? probably, but some of the above is actual fact.
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6/1/17 3:39 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | But in a more narrow sense- what, if any responsibility does the Christian have in terms of the Sabbath? |
I hadn't weighed in on this previously--started to, then deleted my post. My yard, with the various things I mow around, takes me the better part of 3 hours with a walk-behind mower. It wipes me out. I'm definitely not doing it on a Sunday afternoon. I think it is good to have one day a week free from physical labor. The Sabbath was made for man, so I think there is something to be said for taking one day a week away from physical labor.
The Sabbath was based on God "resting" after 6 days of creation. It is interesting that we get our month based on the moon cycle (roughly), our day based on the rotation of the earth, the year based on the revolution of the earth around the sun, but the week...?
We aren't bound by the Old Testament laws with respect to the Sabbath, but there can be advantages to taking one day a week to rest from labors. |
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Cojak |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | But in a more narrow sense- what, if any responsibility does the Christian have in terms of the Sabbath? |
I hadn't weighed in on this previously--started to, then deleted my post. My yard, with the various things I mow around, takes me the better part of 3 hours with a walk-behind mower. It wipes me out. I'm definitely not doing it on a Sunday afternoon. I think it is good to have one day a week free from physical labor. The Sabbath was made for man, so I think there is something to be said for taking one day a week away from physical labor.
The Sabbath was based on God "resting" after 6 days of creation. It is interesting that we get our month based on the moon cycle (roughly), our day based on the rotation of the earth, the year based on the revolution of the earth around the sun, but the week...?
We aren't bound by the Old Testament laws with respect to the Sabbath, but there can be advantages to taking one day a week to rest from labors. |
High light my emphasis!
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6/1/17 3:43 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | ...but there are many within the body of Christ (even learned men with earned degrees) who hold various views concerning the Christian and his/her relationship/responsibility to the Sabbath.... |
We all see through a glass darkly; it is easy to forget that. |
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6/1/17 4:06 pm
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What if someone you hired to mow the church lawn decided to do it on Sunday and the church was on a busy corner in town?
It happened at the first church I was pastor.
What if that was the only day he could cut it? It was a large 2 acre yard, he was doing it for practically nothing and the only alternative is that the pastor drive 2 hours one way to cut it?
Yeah it was my first pastorate. I said something to the fellow about cutting the grass on Sunday. Not because it was a sin but not wanting to offend others in the community and he quit cutting the grass. All I had at the time was a push mower. I drove 2 hours one way after work to cut the grass with a push mower...
Believe it or not I kicked myself a couple of times for saying anything to him.
That church eventually closed anyway and is now owned by the Assemblies of God. |
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6/2/17 9:56 pm
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| Re: I mow mine |
bonnie knox |
This made me laugh. Folks who never mow on Sundays, just don't mow on Sundays, regardless of weather or windows or such.
Sometimes one might get lots of rainy weather, and the grass might get pretty high and thick.
We just deal with it.
| FLRon wrote: | | Whenever it needs it,irregardless of the day of the week. I would ask a follow up question to your study group: suppose it had rained for several days in a row and the forecasts were calling for one clear day,which just happened to be Sunday. It's supposed to start raining again Sunday afternoon so your one window to mow is Sunday morning. Do you miss church to mow? If you're the pastor,of course you can't, but would you excuse your congregants from church? |
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6/5/17 8:54 am
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bonnie knox |
I'm also laughing because of a joke my pastor told recently about some flooding.
He said a young man was wanting to make the big time as journalist and badly needed a "story" to help launch his career. Unfortunately he was in a small town where not much happened. Then the dam on the reservoir broke and flooded the little town. The wannabe journalist took his camera and boat and went to find his story. Found a woman stranded on a rooftop. Is this a story? No, this is not a story. Joined the woman on the roof and watched some debris floating by. Is this a story? No, this is not a story.
Then, it happened. A little hat went by, went about 100 ft., did a 180, and came back. The journalist was astonished. He continued to watch as the hat went against the current, then did another 180.
Is that a story!!???
No, that's my husband, Bob, he said he was going to mow the yard "come hell or high water." |
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6/5/17 9:00 am
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| Come high water or tornado, lol (L) |
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Cojak |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | http://www.cbsnews.com/news/photo-man-mowing-lawn-tornado-social-media-buzz/ |
One calm citizen! Probably ready to go!
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| Re: I mow mine |
Cojak |
[quote="bonnie knox"]This made me laugh. Folks who never mow on Sundays, just don't mow on Sundays, regardless of weather or windows or such.
Sometimes one might get lots of rainy weather, and the grass might get pretty high and thick.
We just deal with it.
Okay Bonnie, in another life I 'Bucked Bales' for 2 cents a bale. This sorta puts the Bale Bucker out of work. But Imma thinking they still need the stacker! 
Now that would be a sin in the church yard on Sunday. If the grass was that high, No one would be in church, but out side watching!
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Da Sheik |
That's some funny stuff Bonnie!
Mondays tend to be my "sabbath" so I usually am more active posting on here on those days. I try not to schedule anything on Mondays if I can help it. Unfortunately, our elders decided that our monthly meetings should be on the first Monday night of each month  |
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