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Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **8/21/16 8:40 am**

Herman and his neutics? A 60's band from Liverpool I think.

Actually, trying to type on a cellphone is difficult enough without trying to spell words like hermeneutics. Laughing

Re: You never heard of

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **8/21/16 12:41 pm**

QW and OTCP and others.....would you say that

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **8/21/16 12:58 pm**

your position is that if it is not God's will to heal....then it is his desire for you to be sick?

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **8/21/16 2:01 pm**

Is Mark 11:24 a valid verse?

Re: QW and OTCP and others.....would you say that

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **8/21/16 2:13 pm**

Re: You never heard of

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **8/21/16 2:21 pm**

Re: QW and OTCP and others.....would you say that

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **8/21/16 2:30 pm**

Serious Question: When is it NOT God's will to heal?

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **8/21/16 10:41 pm**

If God is not willing that any perish...does that have any significance to health?

Seriously, when was it NOT Jesus' will to heal? Was there ever a single person that came to Him that He didn't heal? Surely--SURELY!--in those multitudes upon multitudes, there would have surely been one that didn't fit the bill. That was too sinful...had too little faith...SOMETHING!

I'm not trying to make an argument really. But I do wonder if we have Bible for showing God being unwilling to HEAL (at least after Jesus' appearance).

Thoughts?

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **8/21/16 10:54 pm**

When Lazarus was sick and Jesus could have easily healed him with a word from a distance, but instead waited until after he had been dead four days to even show up, the obvious fact is, it wasn't God's will to heal him immediately (like He could have easily done) but rather to let him die, so that the greater glory of God would be revealed.

When you and your family and your church persistently and earnestly pray for healing, believing God for it with all your heart, and yet the one you were praying for (who was also praying for healing) is not healed of cancer but passes away, you can rest assured that it was simply not God's will to heal in that case, and that their ultimate healing awaits the resurrection.

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **8/22/16 7:45 pm**

You know what? If God had wanted to, he could have fixed this whole thing by a short punishment (or none at all) awarded to Adam and Eve and did a clear/reset. Then Eve woulda knowed better and Adam also would have learned and they could have lived happily ever after. But he chose not to.

Then we would not be having or reading this discussion. I keep saying to my self, HE CAN, I know he CAN. If is his will, why don't He? You see, I have asked here for the secret that unlocks that door to healing 'every time all the time'. I do not believe everyone who is not healed is missing some 'sweet' secret. Or that some child of God is prevented from being healed because they do not 'understand how' to 'receive' healing, etc.

Did he heal everyone at the pool?

If it is God's will that we ALWAYS be healed, why does a good Child of God get sick?

More questions here than answers. Shocked

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Re: Serious Question: When is it NOT God's will to heal?

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **8/23/16 4:21 pm**

An here is a serious answer, Aaron.

It is not God's will to instantly an divinely physically heal when the sovereignty of God is usin at season in a person's life for some greater good that at the moment may not be understood by the person who is sick.

Ff bosworth has this to say to you otcp

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **8/23/16 5:05 pm**

It would be a contradiction to say, "Christ has borne our sicknesses, and with His stripes we are healed," but then add, "Many are the sicknesses of the righteous, which He requires us to bear."

To prove this tradition, theologians quote, But the God of all grace, who has called us to his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that you have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you (1 Peter 5:10). This suffering does not refer to suffering sickness, but to the many ways in which God's people have so often had to suffer for their testimony. (Acts 5:41; 2 Cor. 12.)

Another tradition is that we are not to expect healing for certain afflictions. People quote the scripture, Is any among you afflicted? let him or her pray (James 5:13). This again does not refer to sickness, but to the same things pointed out above.

Another tradition is that God chastises His children with sickness. The scripture is quoted, a part of which says, Whom the Lord loves he chastens (Heb. 12:6- Cool

. God does chasten those whom He loves, but it does not say that He makes them sick. The word chasten here means "to instruct, train, discipline, teach, or educate," like a teacher "instructs" a pupil, or like a parent "trains and teaches" a child.

When a teacher "instructs" a student, various means of discipline may be employed, but never sickness. When a parent "trains" a child, there are many ways to chasten, but never by imposing a physical disease upon it. For our heavenly Father to chasten us does not require that He lay a disease upon us. Our diseases were laid upon Christ. God could not require that we bear, as punishment, what Jesus has substantially borne for us. Christ's sacrifice freed us forever from the curse of sin and disease which He bore on our behalf.

Re: Ff bosworth has this to say to you otcp

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **8/23/16 6:50 pm**

Your argument

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **8/23/16 8:26 pm**

Is specious and ludicrous at the same time. Moses wasn't sick either but God took him home. It is still appointed once for men to die physically (unless the rapture or a chariot from heaven takes us) as a member of the human, fallen race whom Adam brought death to. Dying has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with God's will and healing. And quit using Lazarus as an example because he was healed, his body recovered from whatever disease brought him physical death. Bosworth is dead but his points remain as truth.

Consider...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **8/23/16 9:25 pm**

It is not God's will that ANY perish. Yet some do/will anyway. Would we then assume that it must NOT be God's will to save everyone?

We are not saying that God WILL ALWAYS heal. Rather, we are saying that, yet, just as it is not God's will that anyone perish, neither is it God's will that any should be sick. YET THERE ARE THOSE WHO WILL RECEIVE NEITHER HEALING OR SALVATION.

A person has to in someway touch God in faith to be saved. Why wouldn't that also be true of those who are sick? That is, IF they touch God in faith, they will be made whole.

Why would it not be true of healing as it is of salvation?

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **8/23/16 9:29 pm**

My sister found out that she had cancer last year. We did every possible including proclaiming Mark 11:24 and every other healing verse. I fasted for my sister. She was a COG minister who was a doctor, educator and encourager. She ministered in the women's prison the good news of Jesus. She was healed as a little girl and my Dad was called to preach as a result. She was everything and more that a Christian can be on this earth. She was only 74 years old and full of life!! As the cancer grew and there was no hope left, our prayers were that she not suffer. She had a stroke and her heart stopped functioning correctly and she died within 48 hours. I have ZERO doubt that God heard our prayers and took her before the months of suffering that was to come. What's the answer? Not enough faith? What did she do wrong?

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **8/23/16 10:24 pm**

Many people know where Eddie is coming from.
Now to agree with most everyone, I understand there is something that is going to take us out of this life. No question, no argument.

BUT, what do you do that gets you healed of every malady that attacks you? If you actually believe out Lord MEANS to heal everyone who is His child, every time, how is this accomplished? I pray normally. I ask for healing for my self or anyone who requests prayer. If YOU are always healed, what is the secret? Why would the Lord give some of his children the secret and not all of us. Are we doubting? Is that it? I have been accused of it, but if I am I don't know it. It seems my Father would help me understand if that is what he means. We all seem to struggle through a malady, using vitamin I or aspirin or a visit to a doctor for a more powerful drug, if our prayers are not answered. What is the formula to stay always well or be healed of every sickness? Does that work for broken bones as well? I am very serious, do you who believe in always healing have an insight to share? Confused

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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **8/24/16 6:26 am**

Re: Your argument

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **8/24/16 8:52 am**

Re: Your argument

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **8/24/16 8:51 pm**