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Women teaching men is like fornicating (L)

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **8/31/16 11:15 am**

Here is a blog post which analyzes an article by Mary Kassian which appeared on John Piper's site "Desiring God."
http://thewartburgwatch.com/2016/08/24/mary-kassian-compares-women-who-teach-men-in-church-to-fornicators/
Yes, the title makes it sound way out there, but I keep hearing the same talking points from people in the Church of God.

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **8/31/16 6:57 pm**

I had to wait to read this, my eyes sometimes come up with blank spots, probably old age.

I had a tough time following the article. I do not agree with the title of it, that is for sure. Basically saying a sin is a sin, huh? It is a sin for women to teach men, and also a sin to fornicate. I don't care for the woman's findings or beliefs.

I do feel, if you are a firm believer that the scripture actually means a woman should remain 'silent', then having a Female SS teacher is wrong. In the same vein, if a woman can pastor a church she should be commissioned to head the sacraments and be an official leader.

My daddy did not believe in half sins. Smile

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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **8/31/16 7:17 pm**

It sounds like trump without the multi-syllable words.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **8/31/16 8:21 pm**

So, if you listen to a woman, you may as well...........
Seems logical to me.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **8/31/16 8:43 pm**

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Re: Women teaching men is like fornicating (L)

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **9/1/16 8:04 am**

It depends on what they are teaching...
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **9/1/16 9:13 am**

My point in posting this thread is to point out the outlandish but natural conclusions that come from certain interpretations of 1 Timothy 2:12.
If that verse means a woman may not teach a man at all, then one has to conclude a woman teaching a man is a sin.
Then there are all sorts of inconsistencies in the way that is applied.

Re: Women teaching men is like fornicating (L)

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **9/1/16 10:00 am**

Re: Women teaching men is like fornicating (L)

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **9/1/16 7:34 pm**

Bonnie, not so...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **9/1/16 10:02 pm**

You are NOT hearing the same talking points from the men of the Church of God! I was in the thick of the argument for some weeks or months, and with some small exceptions, both sides were fairly respectful. And overwhelmingly those who were against women in leadership certainly didn't try to act like a woman was not permitted to be a minister at all!

Now, it may FEEL that way to you, but as someone who does--at least at this time--oppose women in denominational leadership, I take gentle exception to your comment that this was emblematic of the thoughts and comments of Church of God men.

Yes, we can all find some crazy exceptions. But I think the most brought a balanced view--even if they were in disagreement.

Fair enough?

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **9/2/16 9:45 am**

Aaron, I'm referencing "talking points." Here are some of the "talking points" in Kassian's article and these are DIRECT QUOTES:
"...in a way that honors God's pattern of male headship in the church...."
"....God wants us to honor his divine design by honoring the principle of male headship in our homes and church families...."
".... God gives us a clear boundary for how we ought to honor the principle of male headship in the church. We honor it by letting the church-fathers govern and teach the church-family. Scripture indicates that women are to remain quiet when the church-fathers are providing this type of authoritative family instruction. 'I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet' (1 Timothy 2:12). That’s the boundary we must observe if we want to honor the principle of male headship."
"...Because I want to honor 1 Timothy 2:12, for my good and the good of the church, and because I believe it presents a fairly clear boundary about women teaching authoritatively in the local church..."
"....Just as I defer to my husband when he is providing spiritual leadership for our family, so I defer to God’s desire that it is the church-fathers who deliver the doctrinal instruction and direction for my church family...."
"...guidelines I use to help me determine whether... ...honors 1 Timothy 2:12 and the principle of male headship...."
"....It’s not a question of who is better at it or more gifted...."

Sound familiar?

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **9/2/16 11:06 am**

Some a that thar Reformed theology is bout as crazy as the word a faith feller who died an went to the bad place. When he opened his eyes an seen where he was, he started makin a positive confession, "I aint here an it aint hot."

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **9/2/16 11:24 am**

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