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Pentecostal women and muslim women.....both in bondage?

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **2/15/16 8:45 pm**

I was at a restaurant yesterday with my wife. I noticed a pentecostal(oneness or apostolic) group sitting together. When I looked at the men, they looked sharp and very stylish. They had stylish haircuts and clothes. I looked at the females of the group......long hair...a few buns... with no style and dresses...somewhat outdated....

The first thought that came to my mind was how close the two groups are in their subjection of women to a certain style but they themselves are very much like every other man. Muslim women wear a headdress and the required clothing...........the same as our oneness group....

I do see oneness as our brothers and sisters in the Lord......but how did we ever to that place in christianity?

Re: Pentecostal women and muslim women.....both in bondage?

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **2/15/16 9:03 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **2/15/16 9:51 pm**

Very interesting observation. It'd be one thing if both genders dressed very modestly, like the Amish. But you're right, in many cases there is a big difference between the genders, just like in Islam. Very interesting observation.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **2/15/16 10:31 pm**

As one who has had many friends over the years who were either Oneness or very conservative, old-time trinitarian Pentecostal, it has been my observation that the Pentecostal brand of strict dress codes and female submission, while having its problems and pitfalls to be sure, at its heart, differs quite markedly from that which is outwardly similar in Islam.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **2/15/16 10:40 pm**

It is similar in that both are legalism. Every right that a woman has, she had to fight for it.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **2/15/16 11:17 pm**

While I have never held to the dress-code standards of Oneness Pentecostalism, I have known many personally as friends who do hold to those standards, both Oneness and Trinitarian. There may of course be exceptions, but I have never known a Oneness lady to act or speak as if she were beaten into submission and was somehow forced to obey the outward dress, hair and no-make-up standards. Usually Oneness women are actually quite preachy about their personal convictions on these matters.

Also, you would NEVER hear of a fundamental Muslim woman being a preacher to a congregation of men and women, but that kind of thing happens fairly often among Pentecostals.

You would also never hear of a Pentecostal husband murdering his wife or daughter and being justified in doing so by his religion. In Islam, the women are basically little more than property.

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **2/15/16 11:26 pm**

How does being unfashionable equal 'bondage'?
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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **2/16/16 1:10 am**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **2/16/16 8:13 am**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **2/16/16 10:32 am**

The teaching of the classic Holiness movement regarding women's hair and dress was not that they necessarily ought to try to look unfashionable as such, but that modesty should be their aim, and that women should not cut their hair, while men should never have long hair (see 1 Cor. 11:2-16). Never cutting one's hair really does tend to limit one's options in hairstyle.

Some who hold to a modest, conservative standard of dress and hair would say they are free from worrying about keeping up with all the latest fashions, and that those who concern themselves so much with looking fashionable are the ones who are in bondage to virtual cultural idolatry.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **2/16/16 10:50 am**

Also, women who decide to leave conservative 'clothesline' Pentecostalism for another faith or no faith at all are not in danger of being executed for apostasy, unlike fundamentalist Islam.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **2/16/16 11:42 am**

I have a very negative view of these folks

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 **2/16/16 4:14 pm**

I'm not sure how it was in your area but in our area these folks are very condescending and judgmental.
I have had some bad experiences with these folks and when I see them, my guard goes up.
We had a gentleman in our church that got saved. He had been a heavy drinker, done time in jail, the list goes on and on. He finally gave his heart to God and one Sunday we were baptizing him. I baptized him in the name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. His sister who was one of these folks made her way to me after the service and questioned me why I didn't say "Holy Ghost" . I told her Ghost and Spirit have the same meaning in this sense. She gave me a smug look and a hmmm and walked away. This man told me, she was part of the reason he never wanted to get saved.

God forgive me for not liking these folks. :

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **2/16/16 5:17 pm**

Only morons would equate the two.

C'mon guys - just because you hated it is no reason to compare it to jihadists.

Not remotely the same.

One husband - one wife.
No face coverings.
No bombings for Jesus.
No nine year olds getting married (although some holiness were young - not Muhammedesque young.
Women were not property.
No genital mutilations.

I could go on forever.

No comparison.
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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **2/16/16 5:25 pm**

Of course, they aren't equal. What is similar is that religious men made up rules to place on women.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **2/16/16 7:11 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **2/16/16 7:23 pm**

The OP wasn't equating Oneness with Islam, good grief. It was suggesting they may share similarities in this one aspect.

But leave it to someone on acts to bury any possibility of mature discussion by sanctimoniously beating a straw man to a pulp.

You sure showed those folks who were saying Oneness and Islam are the same. All zero of them.

you beat me to it......

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 **2/16/16 8:48 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **2/16/16 10:28 pm**

If a person comes to have a personal conviction about something, is he, by definition, in bondage?

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 13654 **2/16/16 11:38 pm**