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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **11/3/15 12:38 pm**

this guy was totally wrong , Look at how it was handled...

PROBLEM; The student was disrupting the class.

Course of Action.

1. Teacher tried unsuccessfully to stop the student from being disruptive.

2. the principle was called and was unsuccessful in his attempt to stop the student from being disruptive..

3. The school security was called and tried several times to stop the student from being disruptive.

4. The school security finally used force to correct the situation.

Totally wrong , They should have continued up the ladder for help with the following till the situation was under control;

1. School superintendent intervention.

2. School Board intervention.

3. Counsel members of the city intervention.

4. Mayor of the city intervention.

5. US district representative intervention.

6. US Senator intervention.

7. POTUS intervention.

8. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin intervention.

If these were unsuccessful then allow the perpetrator to carry a loaded
AK 47 . This poor child has rights to.

The rest of the class are nothing to society and do not deserve a decent education.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/us/officers-classroom-fight-with-student-is-caught-on-video.html?_r=0

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **11/3/15 1:51 pm**

The cop has since been fired. I saw this on my local news site and read the comments to see how people were reacting. Of the comments posted (and maybe people with a "life" don't have time to add comments, lol), the comments were largely supportive of the cop.
I found myself asking just what people expected the cop to do after he placed her under arrest and she refused to get out of her desk!! Frankly, I was pretty impressed that he was able to do what he did without injury to the student other than perhaps a little carpet burn.
Of course, I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around a student refusing to move even after the administrator is called.
I did not think the action warranted the cop being fired.

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **11/3/15 2:05 pm**

Hind site is great. I said at first what ws the Cop supposed to do when his authority was questioned, he had only one real course, about what he did.

Now in hind sight the Cop is not there for discipline, but protection of the school, due to the violence perpetrated by KILLERS & Kidnappers. He should never have been called. One day or hour of school training lost is not going to cripple the school.
1' call the principal.
2. try to get cooperation.
3. if none dismiss the class, order the student to the office, if she refuses inform the student and family she is expelled.

With this student this is probably still not going to go well. She appears to rebel no matter what the circumstances. But a lady policeman and a male should meet the girl the next day is she attempts to enter the school after being expelled.

IN TODAY'S WHITE/BLACK SOCIETY THERE IS NO GOOD ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM, BUT PUTIN COULD HANDLE IT IN RUSSIA, OR THE MUSLIMS IN SAUDI & IRAN with no problem or bad press!
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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **11/3/15 5:50 pm**

There is one reason we didnt act like that in my day. The principal or staff would be there with a strong arm and carried us out and no questions would have been asked. We knew this.

But we also had respect for those over us.

As a retired teacher...

Acts Mod Posts: 25305 **11/3/15 6:05 pm**

This is how I felt it should have been handled. The teacher and the assistant principal should have taken the class somewhere else thus relieving the student of her audience. Take away the audience, and the motivation to act up has been greatly reduced.
Then the principal and officer should have sat down, explained to the girl that she had a two week suspension, and explain that she can leave the classroom with or without cuffs.
If she argued, cuff her and take her to juvenile detention for her parents to pick up.
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Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **11/3/15 6:40 pm**

Well, kids in that class may behave better now.

I don't know what led up to this. He could have said, "Either you are going to walk out of this classroom with hand cuffs or I will cuff you. If you do not cooperate, I WILL wrestle you to the floor if I have to and cuff you. Do you want me to do that in front of all your classmates?"

With the video recorded devices on so many phones now, he could also have picked up her desk, as big as he is, carried her outside of the classroom and away from cell phones, and then wrestled her out of the desk. He didn't have to do it that hard, IMO.

I saw a video of some big teenager terrorize a small lady teacher, ordering her to sit, hovering over her and threatening, while a female refused to sit down when she told her to. She kept asking for someone to get security. If I saw that clip and I were principal, I'd probably expel the kid.

I am a very peaceful laid back guy, but I could see that I could have to potential of getting in a fight with that 16-year-old if that happened to me. If I were that teacher, I think I'd get a tazer and just taze a student that big if he threatened me.

There were only a few students in that class. My guess is she was in a 'special ed' class where they put not only the kids with mental retardation, but also the ones with severe behavioral problems.
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Re: As a retired teacher...

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **11/3/15 6:57 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **11/3/15 7:17 pm**

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **11/3/15 7:31 pm**

Remember at Madea movie where she gits on the bus, an at boy jumps up an says "what ya gonna do ole woman?"

Ole Madea slaps him right through the face an he sets down an shuts up. Yes sir!

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **11/3/15 7:31 pm**

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **11/3/15 9:13 pm**

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **11/3/15 9:41 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **11/3/15 9:48 pm**

Right. He didn't administer discipline, but possibly discipline COULD have been administered by the teacher and administrator without calling the cop, which probably would have been more appropriate. In other words, call the cop if there is a knife fight going on, but not if a girl won't put away her cell phone or leave the class when instructed to leave.
In this situation I have more sympathy for the cop than the student. (I don't always side with the cop--I tend to be sort of suspicious of them in general.) I try to imagine how I might have felt had it been my child, but I keep thinking if my child was acting like that he probably got what was coming. Now if she had been injured (beyond the carpet burn), I probably would have a different take.
I don't have very much patience with misbehaving kids.

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **11/3/15 10:37 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **11/3/15 11:27 pm**

Short of physical force, you couldn't MAKE her leave the classroom. You could just let her know the longer she stayed, the longer her period of expulsion or detention. Then you could go on with the class. She would obviously leave when class is over. Then enact the suspension. You could do what Roughrider suggested, for example. There are different ways to handle it, but the teacher has to decide upfront if the infraction is worth fighting over. If she briefly had her cell phone out, but was willing to put it away, it was probably not worth fighting over (unless it was a repeated offense). Once you ask for a student to give you her phone, you've decided to make a big issue of it.
I could see myself giving the whole class a dressing down about cell phones and lack of respect and frivolity and how kids "this day and age..." etc., etc. It probably wouldn't do for me to be a teacher. Like I said, though, I didn't really have sympathy for the student after how stubborn she was.

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **11/4/15 1:26 am**

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **11/4/15 10:48 am**