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Charles Page |
The COG believes that sanctification is subsequent to the new birth so are there people born again but are not sanctified?
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2/26/17 11:42 am
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Charles Page |
Can an unsanctified person go to Heaven?
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2/26/17 11:44 am
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Quiet Wyatt |
| I believe the early CoG adopted a mistaken view of sanctification from the 19th century Holiness movement, which had unfortunately (and inexplicably, as far as I have been able to tell) dropped the key Wesleyan descriptor, "entire" from its doctrine of sanctification, resulting in the quite unscriptural and un-Wesleyan idea that someone can be saved without being sanctified. Wesley taught that sanctification begins with the new birth, progresses ideally until an experience of ENTIRE sanctification occurs in the faithful seeker's life, at least in the hour of physical death, but possibly sooner. |
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Pastor Wright |
| Charles Page wrote: | | The COG believes that sanctification is subsequent to the new birth so are there people born again but are not sanctified? |
My thoughts? The new birth is the beginning; sanctification is the process.
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Old Time Country Preacher |
Sanctification is soteriological in essence.
One is saved. One is being saved. One will be ultimately saved.
Sanctification has its origin at the moment of conversion, then continues for a lifetime. |
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2/27/17 12:22 pm
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Pastor Wright |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Sanctification is soteriological in essence. One is saved. One is being saved. One will be ultimately saved. Sanctification has its origin at the moment of conversion, then continues for a lifetime. |
Well put, OTCP.
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2/27/17 12:35 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
1 Thess 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
2 Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
The above exhortations are specifically directed to Christians. The first speaks of entire sanctification which is to be expected prior to the death of said believers, as it is said to be something that will result in their being preserved blameless unto the coming of the Lord, with no purgatorial interim of purification for said believers either stated or implied in all of Scripture. |
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2/27/17 12:57 pm
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Ole Timer, ya do purty good for a country feller from Pikeville.
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Sanctification is soteriological in essence.
One is saved. One is being saved. One will be ultimately saved.
Sanctification has its origin at the moment of conversion, then continues for a lifetime. |
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2/27/17 1:18 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| bonnie knox wrote: | Ole Timer, ya do purty good for a country feller from Pikeville.
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Sanctification is soteriological in essence.
One is saved. One is being saved. One will be ultimately saved.
Sanctification has its origin at the moment of conversion, then continues for a lifetime. |
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Yea, Miss Bonnie, but you don't know how long the ole timer spent with his dictionary just to git all em words spelt right. |
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2/27/17 2:45 pm
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| Quote: | I Thessalonians 4:13
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: |
If sanctification is just something that some believers experience, is it normal for 'regular believers' who don't get sanctified, to fornicate? Is Paul saying that, after you get saved, to go up at an altar call and receive an instant experience of sanctification, and then stop sleeping with your girlfriend?
Here is another one to consider.
| Quote: | I Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. |
If sanctification, in the Bible, refers to an instant experience that occurs after we get saved, then why would washed, sanctified, and justified by in the order it is in? Don't we get justified at salvation? "Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness." Paul seems to be treating all the Christians who were reading as washed, sanctified, and justified.
And why would he have said this in the middle of a passage encouraging believers not to sue each other or have sex with prostitutes if 'sanctified' means what some of the preachers in the Holiness movement use the term to mean.
The Wesleyan idea of the Christian reaching a perfected stage where he no longer sins either earlier in his Christian walk or before death is a theoretical discussion. But it isn't a theme in the Bible.
Paul told these Corinthians, who had he had corrected for suing each other, warned not to have sex with prostitutes, and warned not to partake in idolatry, that for every temptation, there is a way of escape that they may be able to bear it. From the time a believer is 'in Christ' he has the ability to resist temptation and sin. He doesn't have to wait for some kind of crisis moment some time after he becomes a believer. He doesn't have to wait until he has some experience that a preacher can add to his tally to send to a denominational headquarters.
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Brad,
How would you define the difference between spirit and soul?
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Da Sheik |
Pastors, how many sanctifications did you report last year ?  |
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3/2/17 11:35 am
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bradfreeman |
| Pastor Wright wrote: |
Brad,
How would you define the difference between spirit and soul? |
Thanks PW
Soul - psuche (mind, will, emotions)
Spirit - pneuma (breath, wind)
For me the clearest way to understand it is to use the foreshadowing of the tabernacle. Here's a brief thought or two on how that 3 room house of God foreshadowed our 3 room house of God.
Outer court (outer man) - body
Inner court (inner man) - soul
Holiest place (innermost being) - spirit
Outer court - body, it's the only area visible and uncovered.
Inner court required renewing, re-filling, daily bread, fresh coals.
Holiest place was lit by God, holy, perfect.
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3/2/17 11:37 am
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| You Need a Bigger Bucket |
Bullseye77 |
Sanctification is bigger than that which can be discussed in a few words in a post. I submit the following terms for discussion:
Initial sanctification
Positional sanctification
Practical sanctification
Sanctification as a crisis experience
Sanctification as a process
Each term comes with it's own set of questions and answers. Most of the time the focus is on one aspect of sanctification alone, to the exclusion of all others. That's the reason the Church of God and the Assemblies of God have never been able to agree on the doctrine. I believe each one is right in the point they embrace, and both are wrong in the exclusion of the other's point of view.
Just some nearly incoherent rambling here, but then I'm not judged to be sane by most folks anyway. lol
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