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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1021 **4/18/17 5:41 pm**

What is very interesting is that all the sources cited come from Western thought, not the Jewish sages....

I see because a person can dig deep makes them a person who is trying to embellish, nonsense.

And because a person has more knowledge about a subject they are an outcast....

Look up what the sages wrote and report back...

Better run for now heading to teach some people about how culture makes the difference...Blessings...

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Golf Cart Mafia Associate Posts: 2109 **4/18/17 5:55 pm**

to which Jewish sages do you allude?
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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5923 **4/18/17 10:29 pm**

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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **4/18/17 11:06 pm**

As a neophyte in ancient research I would be completely lost. Even today the Jewish folk would still give a 2017 answer, UNLESS they were deep scholars. Also, YES, I am 'almost' sure there is a meaning, maybe not deep, but just a common sense answer.

This was a very educated minister that used this is a sermon. Teaching many years for Lee. Yeah OTCP, the Dr. is earned... Embarassed

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Golf Cart Mafia Associate Posts: 2109 **4/19/17 6:33 am**

A new sub-set of ...

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1994 **4/19/17 8:25 am**

A new sub-set of theology - napkin-logy. Again, work "napkin" in the KJV is subject to the time of translation and should not be viewed in our present mindset. Secondly, reference to Jewish custom not found in the OT runs the danger of be "line upon line, precept upon precept" extra Biblical tradition. A study of the related NT text and translation of both "napkin" and "folded" my reveal a different conclusion and context than we would arrive at using the translated text with our Western minds (as some have already said).

If we are going to add custom, I like OTCP's (tongue-in-cheek) "7-fold theroy".

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Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **4/19/17 12:02 pm**

Perhaps the first question was as to whether His body was stolen. Peter and John going into the sepulcher got a view of the scene that helped them to know that the body was not stolen.

The bible states that Peter and John went in and saw the linen clothes laying in a certain way. By this, I believe they knew that the body had not been taken. Why would grave robbers take the time to unwind the body of grave clothes?

Mary on the other hand stood outside. She probably could see the clothes but could not see the detail that Peter and John did. She could not see the scene of the clothes lying as Peter and John did. That is why, I believe, she asked the angels where they had taken His body.

Joh 20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.ï¿½
Joh 20:5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.ï¿½
Joh 20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,ï¿½
Joh 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.ï¿½
Joh 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.ï¿½

Joh 20:11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,

Joh 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.ï¿½[/u]

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **4/19/17 8:00 pm**

mark asked:
Did he explain the analogy?

Yes. The idea given was a distaste for death, He did not enjoy it. Relating that to a table custom 'Of That Time', of folding a napkin and placing it on a table before leaving a meal with which they were dissatisfied. The napkin relaying the message they would not return. Jesus was saying, 'I will not revisit death!'

That is what raised a 'wonder' in my mind. I had never heard of this custom, and in my 70+ Easter had never heard a minister use it.

It does not effect my beliefs what so ever, I was/am curious.

Over the years I have heard myths from the pulpit that were not true, things ministers have read in a paper or book and use it as fact, with out research, in a sermon. In the 1960's I heard at Camp Meetings and local churches. "There is a Computer in Switzerland that has everyone in the world recorded. They keep track of where you are, etc." At the time I knew that much information was impossible to store much less process and massage.

In today's world it would contain SOME facts. But at the time it was an impossibility.
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Acts-celerater Posts: 720 **4/27/17 10:07 pm**

This past Holy Week we performed a Seder meal on Maundy Thursday. I found it interesting that there were three pieces of matza bread used in the ceremony. The second of the three was broken and part of it was placed in a napkin and hidden somewhere in the house. The children would go find it as part of a game and get a prize. The Seder could not go on if the piece of matza was not found. A lot of Messianic scholars have said that the second piece of matza is representative of Christ whose body was broken, wrapped and hidden away for a time until the resurrection.
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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1994 **4/28/17 10:40 am**