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Quiet Wyatt |
| My grandfather, who lived through the days (the 1920s and 1930s) when many Pentecostals denied the use of medicine, with some even denying that a true believer would ever die physically (the logical end result of WoF-type teaching, the so-called "Never Die" teaching, which thankfully died out before long), said what was right about it: It was utter foolishness and even cruelty, to deny physical mortality and to deny proper medical care to people (even children!) and to suggest that it was somehow sinful to take medicine. Paw Paw said that in their zeal, those who taught such things totally missed the truth and love of God. |
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9/18/16 6:32 pm
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| Aaron, I don't know you |
brotherjames |
| But I like your thinking. And one last time I am a classical pentecostal AG ordained minister. I however am first generation who came from Methodism into the power of God. John Wimber and I were friends and I had a power encounter with Jesus and I got baptized I n the Holy Ghost with the initial physical evidence of speaking in tongues and I was changed forever. I have preached that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever all over the world and Jesus has confirmed His Word with signs following and is still doing it. This forum has devolve from pentecostal to Methodism or worse. John Wesley would be turning in his grave much less our pentecostal forefathers. It is indeed sad the mindset expressed here. You may disagree with WOF if you like but show me your results and I'll compare them to WoF preachers and we'll see if you can even come close. At least they still believe In the things we used to hold dear. I think Otcp, Bonnie and Wyatt and others here unfortunately reflect the current mindset in the pentecostal church. Skeptics, cynics, cessationist, no faith, philosophy majors and people majoring in the minor, with little or no results. SAD |
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9/18/16 8:25 pm
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Aaron Scott |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | My grandfather, who lived through the days (the 1920s and 1930s) when many Pentecostals denied the use of medicine, with some even denying that a true believer would ever die physically (the logical end result of WoF-type teaching, the so-called "Never Die" teaching, which thankfully died out before long), said what was right about it: It was utter foolishness and even cruelty, to deny physical mortality and to deny proper medical care to people (even children!) and to suggest that it was somehow sinful to take medicine. Paw Paw said that in their zeal, those who taught such things totally missed the truth and love of God. |
Indeed, my brother, these things were out of line when taken to the extremes they were sometimes taken. But the point was the demonstrate that early Pentecostals DID have some things in common with the faith movement.
Thankfully, we have matured above that extreme level of no doctors or castigating those who went, but they very much believed in divine healing in a MUCH LARGER and MONEY-WHERE-YOUR-MOUTH-IS way than we do today.
All these extremes--whether WOF or early Pentecostal--need to be addressed. But, again, the extremes you find in WOF is not the norm. Yes, they absolutely believe in healing, but most also believe--AS DID ORAL ROBERTS--that God has TWO streams of healing: Divine Healing and Medical Healing. |
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9/18/16 8:38 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| brotherjames wrote: | | This forum has devolve from pentecostal to Methodism or worse. John Wesley would be turning in his grave much less our pentecostal forefathers. It is indeed sad the mindset expressed here. You may disagree with WOF if you like but show me your results and I'll compare them to WoF preachers and we'll see if you can even come close. At least they still believe In the things we used to hold dear. I think Otcp, Bonnie and Wyatt and others here unfortunately reflect the current mindset in the pentecostal church. Skeptics, cynics, cessationist, no faith, philosophy majors and people majoring in the minor, with little or no results. SAD |
That has got to be one of the most moronic posts ever. Puhleeze.
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9/18/16 9:04 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| brotherjames wrote: | | You may disagree with WOF if you like but show me your results and I'll compare them to WoF preachers and we'll see if you can even come close. At least they still believe In the things we used to hold dear. |
As a classical Pentecostal, WOF theology absolutely DOES NOT project the things I hold dear.
They hold a distorted Christology
Their view of the atonement of Christ is extra-biblical
There is an inordinate emphasis on the here/now
Their view of anthropology that diminishes and demeans the sovereignty of God |
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9/18/16 11:26 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| John Wimber opposed the WoF teaching. In any case, he was mortal and subject to disease and death just like the rest of us, God rest his soul. |
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9/19/16 12:47 am
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Aaron Scott |
you both seem to think that the most outrageous elements of WOF are standard. They are not.
It about like MacArthur, say, judging Pentecostals by our snake handling adherents.
But do what you will...I'm going to believe that Acts should be the norm. |
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9/19/16 9:27 am
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | you both seem to think that the most outrageous elements of WOF are standard. They are not.
It about like MacArthur, say, judging Pentecostals by our snake handling adherents.
But do what you will...I'm going to believe that Acts should be the norm. |
That would be incorrect. The WoF movement is remarkably consistent regarding the lie that healing is guaranteed in the atonement and the lie that if one is not healed it is the fault of the sick person for not having sufficient faith. |
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9/19/16 9:58 am
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | you both seem to think that the most outrageous elements of WOF are standard. They are not.
It about like MacArthur, say, judging Pentecostals by our snake handling adherents.
But do what you will...I'm going to believe that Acts should be the norm. |
Aaron, again, what I list below is "standard" belief in WOF theology:
A distorted Christology
A view of the atonement of Christ that is extra-biblical
An inordinate emphasis on the here/now (health/wealth)
An anthropology that diminishes and demeans the sovereignty of God
I do understand that there are some more outrageous than others, but what I have listed is the norm in WOF teaching/belief. |
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9/19/16 10:23 am
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