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 When a pastor or evangelist sins sexually, matters are only worse if he is arrogant about it |
bonnie knox |
To me, these actions of ministers who have been caught in sexual sin should raise red flags:
a person who has been caught in a sexual sin tries to minimize the gravity of the sin
a person who tries to "throw the other person(s) involved under the bus"
a person who does not want to take personal responsibility for his actions
a person who wants there to be no negative consequence (labels the negative consequences "attacks from Satan")
sees no need to step away from leadership positions
Also, these actions from the minister's supporters should raise red flags:
demands that there be no negative consequences for the minister (throwing around words like forgiveness and restoration with the only accountability being the word of the minister who just got caught lying)
more thought for public image of the church than the well being of victims in the case of sexual abuse
"sin leveling," e.g., you are just as guilty as the minister who just had affairs with 5 women in the congregation because you had lustful thoughts one day last year or because you "gossiped" or because you didn't pray enough for said minister |
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9/13/16 8:13 am
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Da Sheik |
I think these tendencies exist, regardless of the type of sin/immorality. Most of these situations never come to light until the individual is caught/exposed. Hence the need to finally go public. At this point, the person(s) involved are typically not at the point of true repentance. They are still reeling from the shock, embarrassment of exposure, and possible losses they may incur. Consequently, they are still in self-preservation mode. It's human nature.
I realize the COG isn't perfect, and there are no perfect denominations or governmental structures. Having said that, at least there are procedures and policies in place for discipline/restoration. In many independent churches, the pastor often has no accountability other than the "yes men" he has surrounded himself with. That's a generalization of course.
Your points about sexual sins are not lost on me though. There are more "victims" than just the two parties involved. There are children, spouses, brothers and sisters in the church who suffer terribly. |
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9/13/16 11:29 am
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Eddie Robbins |
| Another group that is messed up are the ones that the minister led to the Lord. |
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9/13/16 11:43 am
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| Re: When a pastor or evangelist sins sexually, matters are only worse if he is arrogant about it |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | To me, these actions of ministers who have been caught in sexual sin should raise red flags:
a person who has been caught in a sexual sin tries to minimize the gravity of the sin
a person who tries to "throw the other person(s) involved under the bus"
a person who does not want to take personal responsibility for his actions
a person who wants there to be no negative consequence (labels the negative consequences "attacks from Satan")
sees no need to step away from leadership positions
Also, these actions from the minister's supporters should raise red flags:
demands that there be no negative consequences for the minister (throwing around words like forgiveness and restoration with the only accountability being the word of the minister who just got caught lying)
more thought for public image of the church than the well being of victims in the case of sexual abuse
"sin leveling," e.g., you are just as guilty as the minister who just had affairs with 5 women in the congregation because you had lustful thoughts one day last year or because you "gossiped" or because you didn't pray enough for said minister |
I remember well at JSM in the Spring of '88. One line that got slung around like a dog's chew toy was "Satan is attacking this ministry like never before."
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9/13/16 7:50 pm
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Cojak |
I completely agree with you about the arrogance.
I was born into the COG and many of my family are in the COG. I have had kin folks in the ministry as long as I can remember. Several good pastors two advanced to Overseers and two (that pastored large churches) who failed thru adultery. One of those left the COG and formed a successful independent work, he was very arrogant. The other was also arrogant but did go thru the church discipline procedure, but stated I will get a church, But I will not take just anything." One statement I heard so often, "David committed adultery, even murder and was a man after God's own heart."
My thoughts to that were 'Did you ever save a nation and slay a Giant? or if it was the adultery that made him a man after God's own heart, maybe we all should try it.'
YES, to the comments of the number of victims, it is terrible. It takes a toll on the parents, church, family and as Eddie commented, especially the ones who were won to the Lord.
But come to think of it, the act of adultery by a minister is ARROGANT in itself. He has preached about an all knowing GOD. Most only 'confess' when caught by the law or a mate.
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