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| Ventureforth wrote: | | Tom Sterbens wrote: |
1 Corinthians 1:2 (NASB95)
"To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:"
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I've been thinking about how much the "access" in Ephesians 2:18 and those like it play into calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Other than Jesus and what He did for us, we would not have access to the Father.
We know the Son saves us by giving His life. But the Father saves us by giving His Son. We could say the Father saves us through the agency of the Son. (John 3:17) Likewise, we can say the Father hears and answers our prayers through the agency of the Son.
I'm also pondering how early Christians interpreted "calling on the name of the Lord Jesus." (Tom now probably regrets mentioning it.  )
Well, I know this question has pretty much been brought to a conclusion (to which I agree). But the thread has brought to mind more thoughts about our Father.
| Quote: | | Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. |
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Just in case any are interested. I added some thoughts. Great discussion.
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| Does anyone still sing "Just a Little Talk with Jesus"? |
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| bonnie knox wrote: | | Does anyone still sing "Just a Little Talk with Jesus"? |
It is often requested in our Sunday night all-request song services here. |
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It seems to me that some take Jesus' words about praying "to the Father in My name" (which actually doesn't seem to have a lot of Scripture to support it as some kind of restriction) to indicate a proper formula of some kind, similar to how Oneness folks like to argue about the proper baptismal formula. This seems to miss the meaning entirely, though, of what it means to act in the name of another. In my view, many evangelicals tag their prayers with the phrase, "in Jesus' name" almost like a magic word that makes the prayer legit. But to act in His name is far deeper than that, of course.
It would be exceedingly strange to have a personal relationship with someone who lives inside you and who is the one God who directs your life, but to somehow not being able to rightly speak to Him (I.e., the Son or the Spirit). |
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | | Does anyone still sing "Just a Little Talk with Jesus"? |
It is often requested in our Sunday night all-request song services here. |
Is the prayer wheel part a reference to the Buddhist prayer wheel?
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| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | It seems to me that some take Jesus' words about praying "to the Father in My name" (which actually doesn't seem to have a lot of Scripture to support it as some kind of restriction) to indicate a proper formula of some kind, similar to how Oneness folks like to argue about the proper baptismal formula. This seems to miss the meaning entirely, though, of what it means to act in the name of another. In my view, many evangelicals tag their prayers with the phrase, "in Jesus' name" almost like a magic word that makes the prayer legit. But to act in His name is far deeper than that, of course.
It would be exceedingly strange to have a personal relationship with someone who lives inside you and who is the one God who directs your life, but to somehow not being able to rightly speak to Him (I.e., the Son or the Spirit). |
'A personal relationship with Jesus' is the emphasis of a lot of American evangelicals. I don't find the phrase in scripture. Is the concept a major emphasis of scripture?
I can't find 'personal Savior' either.
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| Quote: | | If I have a personal computer, it is my property. No one may use it without my permission. |
But you can have a personal trainer who is also a personal trainer for the guy next door.
(Or you can have a personal problem that a lot of other people have.)
You can acknowledge that Jesus is the Saviour of the world without appropriating that for yourself, I think. But once you, yourself, reach out by faith, you have made it personal. |
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Link wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | bonnie knox wrote: | | Does anyone still sing "Just a Little Talk with Jesus"? |
It is often requested in our Sunday night all-request song services here. |
Is the prayer wheel part a reference to the Buddhist prayer wheel? |
Yes, of course it is. |
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| Link wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | It seems to me that some take Jesus' words about praying "to the Father in My name" (which actually doesn't seem to have a lot of Scripture to support it as some kind of restriction) to indicate a proper formula of some kind, similar to how Oneness folks like to argue about the proper baptismal formula. This seems to miss the meaning entirely, though, of what it means to act in the name of another. In my view, many evangelicals tag their prayers with the phrase, "in Jesus' name" almost like a magic word that makes the prayer legit. But to act in His name is far deeper than that, of course.
It would be exceedingly strange to have a personal relationship with someone who lives inside you and who is the one God who directs your life, but to somehow not being able to rightly speak to Him (I.e., the Son or the Spirit). |
'A personal relationship with Jesus' is the emphasis of a lot of American evangelicals. I don't find the phrase in scripture. Is the concept a major emphasis of scripture?
I can't find 'personal Savior' either.
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The Bible reveals God as personal, and mankind as created in His image for purposes of relational/family fellowship with Him. We are His children. Doesn't get any more personal and relational than that. |
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| Re: Is it wrong to pray to Jesus or the Holy Spirit? |
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| Link wrote: | | Is it wrong to pray to the Holy Spirit? Is it inappropriate to direct prayers to Jesus rather than to the Father in His name? |
No. It's not wrong to do either of those.
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