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Post Tom Sterbens: Mark Ledbetter
Twice you have suggested prophecy as often interpreted and applied is incorrect, but you haven't offered any suggestions for alternatives.

So, rather than hold us in suspense, how about offering your insight in to how "common interpretations" are wrong and then how prophecy should be interpreted.
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Tom Sterbens wrote:
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Twice you have suggested prophecy as often interpreted and applied is incorrect, but you haven't offered any suggestions for alternatives.

So, rather than hold us in suspense, how about offering your insight in to how "common interpretations" are wrong and then how prophecy should be interpreted.

Not sure what you're referencing that I said. Help me out with it and I will own it! :-)


Original Post: America's demise is inevitable

Resident Skeptic posted: "or perhaps common eschatological teachings are wrong"

Your post: "finally something we can agree upon"

Original Post: Could the USA be obliterated or pass from the scene?

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"That would entirely depend on your view of prophecy."


Not trying to get involved in a debate but am curious. If the "common eschatological teachings are wrong," then how are they wrong and what other views should be considered?

Upon what "view of prophecy" do you hold that suggests the USA isn't obliterated or pass from the scene?
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N T Wright.

Well certainly he never leaves you in doubt.

I read his stuff - and rejected his line of reasoning - however, I mostly focused on the evolution stuff - which he seemed to have copied from Scofield. Perhaps that is where his thoughts come from regarding the rapture, as well.
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Post N.T. Wright, Rapture Doctrine, Etc. Mark Ledbetter
In true fashion as an Anglican theologian N.T Wright's The New Testament and the People of God and the eschatological views can be summarized as millennial and supersessionism.

Further, Wright purports the Synoptic Gospel presentation of Jesus presents the climax of Jewish history and Jesus' story is the embodiment of Jewish expectation, thus ending the Jewish story.

I can't agree with his conclusions but who am I to disagree with such a noted theologian? Wright, along with other such notables, Collin Chapman, Stephen Sizer, Steve Motyer and others, follow the Augustine, then Calvin, influence regarding eschatology.

Taking allegorical interpretations a step farther, the church no longer represents Israel. Jesus becomes the embodiment of Israel, thereby replacing Israel. Literal interpretation is abandoned and eschatological events are played out in Church history, especially 1st-century. Paul's references to end-time themes and events become simple metaphor. There will be no trumpet sounding, no angels descending, etc.

With regards to the Rapture Doctrine as viewed by Evangelicals, I have to disagree with John Nelson Darby's position, one he pulled out of the air without Scriptural justification.

Just a study of Paul's eschatology in 1 & 2 Thessalonians reveals there will be a resurrection/catching away - a pre wrath event (1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11).

[I have published a work regarding this, The Coming Messiah: Correction and Comfort from Paul's Eschatology in 1st and 2nd Thessalonians, https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Messiah-Correction-Eschatology-Thessalonians/dp/1530566576/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479003792&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=The+Coming+Messiah+ledbtter
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Post thanks Tom, Mark Ledbetter
for the recommended book... I've reviewed the Amazon and will place on my "wish list."
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