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 I've decided I could vote for Trump if he has a majority (not a plurality) |
John Jett |
"could" does not equal "will", but if the will of the voters is Donald Trump then I do hold that to be an important factor as I value our democracy above my disdain for this candidate (barely and only after much consideration and prayer)
However, as of now Trump does NOT have the majority of the popular vote. This race, from about the second debate and long before the first vote was cast, has been Trump vs. everyone else. "Who can beat Trump?" has been the question and the voters have been trying to decide that. Trump is the lowest scorer on the "second favorite" polls.
So I hold that every vote cast for the other candidates is a vote against Trump.
Right now Trump has 7,536,465 votes in the primaries. Cruz has 5,477,506 Rubio 3,364,453 and Kasich has 2,722,398. This doesn't include over a million votes for other previous candidates who actually received delegates.
Taking just these numbers, Trump only has 39% of the vote. Its not likely but it is possible that he will exceed 50%. At that point I would acknowledge the will of the the voters and dutifully cast my vote for the rightful candidate.
Otherwise, assuming no-one gets to a majority, then I believe it is legitimate for the non-Trump delegates to elect one of the contending candidates (in my mind that would be Trump, Cruz, Rubio and Kasich, though you could make the case that Rubio forfeited).
If somehow Trump is able to talk a coalition of delegates into voting for him, then I may accept that outcome as well (may).
If however, the party bosses produce someone who didn't run, or an early rejected candidate (Bush, Huckabee, Santorum), I'm not sure what I will do, but I will hold that as an illegitimate candidate and hope for a third party to emerge, something of a constitutional/libertarian/conservative party. |
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3/16/16 11:29 pm
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John Jett |
I held my nose and voted Republicrat the last 8 years, it doesn't work. This time there are a lot of folks who went ahead and held their noses the last 2 times and aren't going to do it this time. Its been well publicized, the voters have been warned, its on them.
But when its all said and done, if Trump gets a real majority I do respect the will of the majority and IF Trump has figured out a way to reign himself in and outline some clear policies rather than a bunch of "strong, great, yuge, really-really" sound-bites, then maybe we can all come together. I will at least give him a chance. I think when faced with the real prospect of Hillary Clinton, many of us who hate the idea of Trump will give it some more thought. |
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3/18/16 9:49 am
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c6thplayer1 |
| If someone could put a four year piece of duck tape on his mouth and send him on a 4 year space mission with no communications then I to would vote for him. |
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3/18/16 10:22 am
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Resident Skeptic |
| John Jett wrote: | I held my nose and voted Republicrat the last 8 years, it doesn't work. This time there are a lot of folks who went ahead and held their noses the last 2 times and aren't going to do it this time. Its been well publicized, the voters have been warned, its on them.
But when its all said and done, if Trump gets a real majority I do respect the will of the majority and IF Trump has figured out a way to reign himself in and outline some clear policies rather than a bunch of "strong, great, yuge, really-really" sound-bites, then maybe we can all come together. I will at least give him a chance. I think when faced with the real prospect of Hillary Clinton, many of us who hate the idea of Trump will give it some more thought. |
You may never see a majority in the percentage of actual primary votes cast because there were too many candidates and they stayed in the race for a good length of time. The only way to gauge whether or not he now has a majority is by polls among GOP voters.
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John Jett |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
You may never see a majority in the percentage of actual primary votes cast because there were too many candidates and they stayed in the race for a good length of time. The only way to gauge whether or not he now has a majority is by polls among GOP voters. |
The way I see it is that this race, all along, has been Trump vs. anti-Trump. If the majority does not vote for Trump, then that means he lost.
At that point if he can sway enough non-committed delegates to his side (those from failed bids), then that is fairly legit too, but its fair game for the other candidates as well.
Polls shmolls, Trump had a double digit "lead" in Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and several others that he either lost or barely won. |
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3/18/16 10:57 am
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Resident Skeptic |
| John Jett wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
You may never see a majority in the percentage of actual primary votes cast because there were too many candidates and they stayed in the race for a good length of time. The only way to gauge whether or not he now has a majority is by polls among GOP voters. |
The way I see it is that this race, all along, has been Trump vs. anti-Trump. If the majority does not vote for Trump, then that means he lost.
At that point if he can sway enough non-committed delegates to his side (those from failed bids), then that is fairly legit too, but its fair game for the other candidates as well.
Polls shmolls, Trump had a double digit "lead" in Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and several others that he either lost or barely won. |
But if most who voted against him in the primary back him as the nominee, there is your majority.
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3/18/16 4:01 pm
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| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
But if most who voted against him in the primary back him as the nominee, there is your majority. |
That's exactly what everyone knew from the beginning to be unlikely.. Trump has been the leader in the "never for him" category within his own party since day one. But we'll see. I'm not 100% ruling it out anymore. I've seen some pretty disturbing stuff coming from the insane left like threats to hack bank accounts of Trump and his supporters, etc... He's starting to bring out the crazy in everyone. I don't like it, but I'm not going to hide either. |
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3/18/16 4:42 pm
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| UncleJD wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
But if most who voted against him in the primary back him as the nominee, there is your majority. |
That's exactly what everyone knew from the beginning to be unlikely.. Trump has been the leader in the "never for him" category within his own party since day one. But we'll see. I'm not 100% ruling it out anymore. I've seen some pretty disturbing stuff coming from the insane left like threats to hack bank accounts of Trump and his supporters, etc... He's starting to bring out the crazy in everyone. I don't like it, but I'm not going to hide either. |
His lead among GOP voters just keeps growing.
53% in one poll. Now 49% in another....
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20160313-20160318/type/day
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3/18/16 7:13 pm
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UncleJD |
And 43% in today's
2016 Republican Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Reports Trump 43, Cruz 28, Kasich 21 Trump +15 |
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3/18/16 7:29 pm
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