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Resident Skeptic |
..............does not care if they lose in 2016.
To them, going back to holding 40% of the power in Congress is a fair trade-off for getting to keep all the perks in place.
They are not seeking to run their own candidate (by hijacking the convention or running a candidate 3rd Party) because they think he would be more conservative or have a better chance against Hillary. On the contrary, they have only one thing in mind....keeping the perks in place that the Tea Party originally wanted to take from them, and that Trump/Cruz want to take from them now. Losing in November to achieve that end is a small price to pay.
Unlike the hand ringing ,Evangelical ,"Never Trump" minority, the establishment is not concerned about Christianity or morals, either. However, according to Carl Rove, it is these gullible, foolish Christians they plan on using to do their dirty work this November. They will run a candidate that meets all the establishment criteria, but will sound like an Evangelical prince, and thus the Evangelicals will become willing participants in driving the final nail in their own coffin....and they will deserve it. This has come about due to the fact that too many Evangelicals are voting on some vague , abstract "principle" rather than from a fervor to preserve religious freedom. Thanks for nothing, brethren.
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| Well this is funny considering it was Evangelicals that made Trump a viable candidate |
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Resident Skeptic |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Well this is funny considering it was Evangelicals that made Trump a viable candidate |
I mentioned a minority of Evangelicals. It's about 1/3 of Evangelicals that are offering themselves up as tools to do the establishment's bidding. When they have served their purpose, the establishment will discard them.
Your reaction proves that you are one of the 1/3 who is clueless about the establishment.
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3/16/16 4:03 pm
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Eddie Robbins |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Well this is funny considering it was Evangelicals that made Trump a viable candidate |
That's right. It started with the Paula White fiasco and moved to the endorsement of Jerry Falwell, Jr, justifying the evangelical vote for such a heathen. |
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3/16/16 4:03 pm
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UncleJD |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
Your reaction proves that you are one of the 1/3 who is clueless about the establishment. |
Yes, I am because it's called different things at different times to support your ever-changing arguments. Sorry your own logic turns on its head when you examine your statements. (if that's hard to decipher, it means that the 1/3 you belong too are tools of a power-hungry madman posing as some kind of messiah against an establishment that he personally funded)
btw - I haven't said I've completely made up my mind yet, but silly statements like that don't help your cause. I've had people who admitted to not voting for anyone in the last 30 years besides Ross Perot, call me a "liberal" for not stepping in line behind their Fuhrer. |
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Resident Skeptic |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
Your reaction proves that you are one of the 1/3 who is clueless about the establishment. |
Yes, I am because it's called different things at different times to support your ever-changing arguments. Sorry your own logic turns on its head when you examine your statements. (if that's hard to decipher, it means that the 1/3 you belong too are tools of a power-hungry madman posing as some kind of messiah against an establishment that he personally funded) |
People who makes accusations like you just did ,without citing a single example, are all talk. 2/3 of Evangelicals back Trump. I am one of those. Thus my reference to an "Evangelical minority", that will seal our fate, and of which you are a part.
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UncleJD |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
People who makes accusations like you just did ,without citing a single example, are all talk. 2/3 of Evangelicals back Trump. I am one of those. Thus my reference to an "Evangelical minority", that will seal our fate, and of which you are a part. |
If a minority can "seal your fate" then maybe you need a better product. Its ok, I'm used to being in the minority, and I prefer it to being "in the wrong" any day.
However, your so-called "majority" is not a majority, its been a plurality the whole time. Maybe you should figure out what a "plurality" means for you when it comes to the general election between only two candidates. |
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3/16/16 4:12 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
People who makes accusations like you just did ,without citing a single example, are all talk. 2/3 of Evangelicals back Trump. I am one of those. Thus my reference to an "Evangelical minority", that will seal our fate, and of which you are a part. |
If a minority can "seal your fate" then maybe you need a better product. Its ok, I'm used to being in the minority, and I prefer it to being "in the wrong" any day.
However, your so-called "majority" is not a majority, its been a plurality the whole time. Maybe you should figure out what a "plurality" means for you when it comes to the general election between only two candidates. |
Trump just went up to 53%.
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Cojak |
I hope most of this brotherly mud slinging proves unnecessary as a few more GOP endorse the nominee. When the real campaign begins and the situation is The White House of nothing, things may look different. I can always hope.
I think RS has a good point, some leaders would rather lose than accept a base that wants change, NOT WORDS. I do hope 'win or lose' the GOP sees it has a problem that has shown itself in too many losses in a row. No machine can keep on without fuel and lubrication, some of us are looking toward Libertarian or something else.
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| Quote: | .
To them, going back to holding 40% of the power in Congress is a fair trade-off for getting to keep all the perks in place. |
You got that right! |
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3/17/16 9:37 am
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John Jett |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
Trump just went up to 53%. |
Joke poll, we'll see when the real ones come in after the post-Rubio decisions are made. IF, he gains a majority of delegates, I'll consider voting for him, but he makes it hard every single time he speaks. |
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3/17/16 9:46 am
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Brandon Bohannon |
37%
That's the percentage of the vote that Donald Trump has garnered.
That's the lead for sure but hardly a majority.
The real fail of the GOP is not having provided true conservatives with a candidate to coalesce around.
Trump isn't uniting anything accept for Hillary's first term as POTUS.
Keep insulting everyone here, Resident Skeptic, I think that it's working!
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3/17/16 11:05 am
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John Jett |
| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | 37%
That's the percentage of the vote that Donald Trump has garnered.
That's the lead for sure but hardly a majority.
The real fail of the GOP is not having provided true conservatives with a candidate to coalesce around.
I was with you until here, Cruz is the most conservative contender in years, but if you meant that the GOP hasn't backed a true conservative then I agree 100%, they do NOT back Cruz
Trump isn't uniting anything accept for Hillary's first term as POTUS.
Keep insulting everyone here, Resident Skeptic, I think that it's working!
boy aint that the truth? Seriously every time I think about voting for Trump, either he or his supporters remind me exactly why that would be wrong
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Brandon Bohannon |
| John Jett wrote: | | Brandon Bohannon wrote: | 37%
That's the percentage of the vote that Donald Trump has garnered.
That's the lead for sure but hardly a majority.
The real fail of the GOP is not having provided true conservatives with a candidate to coalesce around.
I was with you until here, Cruz is the most conservative contender in years, but if you meant that the GOP hasn't backed a true conservative then I agree 100%, they do NOT back Cruz
Trump isn't uniting anything accept for Hillary's first term as POTUS.
Keep insulting everyone here, Resident Skeptic, I think that it's working!
boy aint that the truth? Seriously every time I think about voting for Trump, either he or his supporters remind me exactly why that would be wrong
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Yes sir. I do support Ted Cruz of what is remaining but the GOP hasn't gotten behind him (yet) and probably won't.
It is disgusting.
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3/17/16 1:20 pm
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John Jett |
| They knew Cruz had the only shot at beating Trump, but wouldn't support him. So in my opinion they gave up the candidate they need for the one they deserve. |
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3/17/16 1:32 pm
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Cojak |
| Brandon Bohannon wrote: |
Keep insulting everyone here, Resident Skeptic, I think that it's working! |
There is enough insulting on the board to go around. Being called insulting names for 'considering' Trump such as RS, NBF and I (even the Board owner) have been called, is sort of saying saying we are naive and gullible. When some of the same group were so gullible a few weeks to think Carson was a Christian.
This season has been an eye opener. Who knows what will happen? Citizens of the USA have a right to pick a candidate they want. Some Christians will vote for Hillary.  .......................................... 
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Resident Skeptic |
| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | 37%
That's the percentage of the vote that Donald Trump has garnered.
That's the lead for sure but hardly a majority.
The real fail of the GOP is not having provided true conservatives with a candidate to coalesce around.
Trump isn't uniting anything accept for Hillary's first term as POTUS.
Keep insulting everyone here, Resident Skeptic, I think that it's working! |
I am not trying to insult anyone, I promise you.
And what is a "true conservative"?
Furthermore, Trump just reached 53% GOP support in one poll. This trend will continue and I still predict a Trump/Cruz alliance.
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John Jett |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
And what is a "true conservative"? . |
Finally asking the right question there Res. I've been learning the meaning myself since it seems to mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. I think I can list a few types of conservatives. This is off the top of my head not using Google so there may be a few I'm forgetting.
1. Movement conservative - This seems to be the one that most of us have been referring to for the last 40 years or so, it got started with Goldwater and was completely defined by Reagan (and gleans a lot from classic-liberalism or libertarianism mixed with strong constitutionalism)
a. small government
b. constitutional supremacy
c. liberty first
d. non-interventionism but strong national defense
e. traditional social values
2. Neo-Conservatism - redefinition of conservatism that has occurred in the post-Reagan years under the Bush's, Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and most modern Republicans.
a. bigger government in the international arena,
b. defense through offense, nation-building
c. authoritarian "security" measures (security over liberty)
3. Populist Conservatism (Trump)
a. some neo-con positions
b. America First, trade protection
c. anti-immigration
d. some conservative positions, but they are all secondary to the rest of it |
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3/17/16 5:13 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Now someone needs to define "The Establishment." |
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Resident Skeptic |
| John Jett wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
And what is a "true conservative"? . |
Finally asking the right question there Res. I've been learning the meaning myself since it seems to mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. I think I can list a few types of conservatives. This is off the top of my head not using Google so there may be a few I'm forgetting.
1. Movement conservative - This seems to be the one that most of us have been referring to for the last 40 years or so, it got started with Goldwater and was completely defined by Reagan (and gleans a lot from classic-liberalism or libertarianism mixed with strong constitutionalism)
a. small government
b. constitutional supremacy
c. liberty first
d. non-interventionism but strong national defense
e. traditional social values
2. Neo-Conservatism - redefinition of conservatism that has occurred in the post-Reagan years under the Bush's, Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and most modern Republicans.
a. bigger government in the international arena,
b. defense through offense, nation-building
c. authoritarian "security" measures (security over liberty)
3. Populist Conservatism (Trump)
a. some neo-con positions
b. America First, trade protection
c. anti-immigration
d. some conservative positions, but they are all secondary to the rest of it |
Trump is against nation building and wants to curb intervention. He is not anti-immigration. He is not even a true protectionist. As for liberty, he speaks often about local control. But of course that is all talk. We all know he is 100 times more liberal than Obama. In fact, he is the Anti-Christ.
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