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Something that really bothered me about Chris Christie in the last debate is that he called what Planned Parenthood does 'murder', then then defended his stance of being in favor of allowing abortion in cases of rape and incest.
My question is this, why is it okay to murder babies if their mothers were raped or if their parents were closely related? If it's murder, it's murder. I understand the life of the mother exception. But murdering babies because of how they were conceived seems rather evil to me. It made me a bit indignant hearing that. It makes more sense to me for people who think its not murder to argue in favor of rights to 'abort' a baby, as bad as that is. But to say it's murder and then be in favor of a rape and incest provision is something I find disturbing and heinous.
I read a letter on a blog once from a woman conceived through incest who said whenever she heard politicians say 'except in cases of rape and incest' it used to depress her. They had just basically said her life was not worthy of legal protection.
To be consistent, shouldn't these politicians allow people who kill adults who are the product of rape or incest to do so without being tried for murder?
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| He's the governor of a blue state, just like Romney. You can't get elected there without sharing some of their values. That's why I'm glad he's out of the race. I'd take Jeb or Rubio over him any day. I'm sure Kasich shares some of those blue-state values as well, he's way too "moderate" for me. Its another reason I don't trust Trump on the abortion issue, he's held every position there is to hold at one point or another, I think he just says what it takes to get votes. |
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Then are you for the death penalty? It is taking a life. Oh yes I know there is a vast difference to me, but it is taking a life? I am for the death penalty my self. Also in the case of Incest or rape or where the mother's life is endangered. I know that is not popular, but it is how I feel when I put it to the extreme.
Say, if my wife or a daughter was raped by a completely mentally deranged man, yes I would be for an abortion. That feeling is something I cannot help, it is my feeling and belief.
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| I'm for the death-penalty too, but only for the criminal, NEVER for the victim. |
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| Cojak wrote: | | Say, if my wife or a daughter was raped by a completely mentally deranged man, yes I would be for an abortion. That feeling is something I cannot help, it is my feeling and belief. |
Why give the man another victim?
I understand a life of the mother exception... usually the pregnancy is going to cause both the baby and the mother to die, and if it's a case where it's one or the other then that decision is between that woman and God.
But if we believe that babies are truly born innocent, why would we snuff their lives out because of the circumstances of their conception? This is a very unpopular view of life and it's understandable that Christie and others don't maintain it. But, you can't argue with Link ethically, philosophically, or spiritually. If you support abortion for cases of rape or incest, you are supporting the murder of an innocent human life. Would that we had a way to remove the child from the man's victim and grow it without her having to endure the pregnancy... but we are not afforded such an option.
And, remember, that baby that would die would be as much your wife or daughter as it would be the man who victimized them. |
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| Cojak wrote: | Then are you for the death penalty? It is taking a life. Oh yes I know there is a vast difference to me, but it is taking a life? I am for the death penalty my self. Also in the case of Incest or rape or where the mother's life is endangered. I know that is not popular, but it is how I feel when I put it to the extreme.
Say, if my wife or a daughter was raped by a completely mentally deranged man, yes I would be for an abortion. That feeling is something I cannot help, it is my feeling and belief. |
This really shocks me that you'd write that. I can understand a man wanting his wife's rapist baby dead along with the rapist. That's kind of a primitive instinct, but it's not good ethics. But I can't imagine a scenario where I'd want someone to kill my own grandchild.
If it's murder, it's murder.
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I have no problem with you guys feeling that way, I understand your thoughts. You do not understand mine, that is okay with me. I have learned to live with me.
I doubt if you have faced the circumstances I mentioned, I truly hope not. I have not faced the situation and will never since I do not have a daughter and my wife is way past child bearing.
It would never be my decision anyway, I said I believe what I said. I would never force or try to force my personal beliefs on anyone.
You can state thousands of situations where you would or would not pull the trigger AND TAKE A HUMAN LIFE, but until you are actually faced with the situation all you can do is speculate.
When you have faced the situation and made your decision then you will KNOW what you will do. 
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Cojak, if a woman decides it is not a convenient time to have a baby and decides to have an abortion, is that murder?
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| Link wrote: | | Cojak, if a woman decides it is not a convenient time to have a baby and decides to have an abortion, is that murder? |
I have never been in that position either, but from this side of the road, I would say yes.
The above is taking a life. The same as the death penalty.
Would it be taking a life (murder) to shoot and kill a man you thought was going to kill your wife or child (who was a Christian)? They are going to heaven if the act is done?
Yeah, I know that is a different situation. But it is taking a life. You could wait to see if he really was going to do the deed then try to take him down (If you had to shoot hi in the leg or arm etc) and try to 'save his soul' teach him repentance, instead of sending directly to hell.  Does he not have a living soul? Maybe he has not heard the Word? What is the soul worth?
Of course I have twisted logic you will say.
And of course I would kill anyone who threatened my family, if I had the means.
I will not be penned down with absolutes, that are not absolutes to me. They are to you of course and I respect that, but they are not to me. 
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| Cojak wrote: | | Link wrote: | | Cojak, if a woman decides it is not a convenient time to have a baby and decides to have an abortion, is that murder? |
I have never been in that position either, but from this side of the road, I would say yes.
The above is taking a life. The same as the death penalty.
Would it be taking a life (murder) to shoot and kill a man you thought was going to kill your wife or child (who was a Christian)? They are going to heaven if the act is done?
Yeah, I know that is a different situation. But it is taking a life. You could wait to see if he really was going to do the deed then try to take him down (If you had to shoot hi in the leg or arm etc) and try to 'save his soul' teach him repentance, instead of sending directly to hell. Does he not have a living soul? Maybe he has not heard the Word? What is the soul worth?
Of course I have twisted logic you will say.
And of course I would kill anyone who threatened my family, if I had the means.
I will not be penned down with absolutes, that are not absolutes to me. They are to you of course and I respect that, but they are not to me. |
I don't see what that has to do with aborting a baby who was conceived through rape. Sure, mothers can die when giving birth, and that was much more the case in the 1800s before doctors started washing their hands between patients than it is now. So babies could threaten the mother's lives whenever they are born. But the baby is family, too, so I don't see how the defending the family from the guy trying to kill one's family is a similar situation.
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I don't see what that has to do with aborting a baby who was conceived through rape. |
Of course you don't, Why would you? But you would probably shoot the Rapist if you had the means and caught him-in the act.. You have your mind made up that abortion is taking a life, THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS. But you would take a life, allowing for an exception. You would still be destroying a life.
You, me and no other man can know the mind, heart of a WOMAN who is pregnant. You can state all the facts you want to from a man's position, you can even quote a wife or another woman, but you still DO NOT KNOW the mind, now mental state of a woman. Of course I don't either.
Link, love you brother, but I am only responsible for my words, I cannot be responsible for how you understand or do not understand them.
In this world you KNOW there are MANY EXCEPTIONS, You will find them as you travel thru life.. I am saying I reserve the right to THINK there are exceptions. Since I am not going to participate in an abortion, I reserve the right to attempt to understand a woman in a 'position/condition' I would never see, feel or know.
I have never tried to hide my feelings and it has been said I am too liberal on this forum, along with other insinuations. But since I know me better than you or anyone else. I am free from condemnation in my heart, I say that with all respect and holy fear in front of my God,whom I love with all of my heart. He has been good to me. 
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