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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | Why is there no common sense advice to people that when Police say to do something, then DO IT. It I were told to get out the car with my hands up, you BET I WOULD. The problem appears that people have no respect for authority and are not going to let someone tell them what to do. |
That might solve some of the problems. Some situations are not that cut and dry, though. Just recently, I read new items about a deaf person being shot and killed by police and a doctor being shot by police and injured as he tried to cover a patient (maybe autistic, I don't remember). The other thing might be when the person is drugged (whether legal drugs or illegal drugs). I also know a situation personally of where a person was tazed and reacted to the pain of the tazer in a way he wouldn't normally have acted.
I remember once long ago going to RDU Airport with my husband to give a ride to a couple coming back from a vacation. I was very unfamiliar with most everything about the airport. (I've never flown and had very few occasions that I've been to an airport at all.) There were sights and sounds coming from all over. Someone was telling me to put my purse on the counter and I was moving straight ahead (like a zombie, I suppose) until I heard my husband say in almost a desperate tone of voice, "Bonnie, put your purse on the counter!" It was only then that it registered with me that the guy standing there had been addressing me and telling me to put my purse on the counter. Before that, to me his voice was blending in with all the other noises. I know that's not the same as a cop shouting at you to do something, but any witness would probably not have been able to tell why I didn't just follow the guy's orders.
I did once have a cop tell me to "Stick out your hand." I had no idea what he meant, and he definitely had to tell me twice. So I stuck out my hand and got a literal slap on the wrist.
Another thing is if you have the idea that cops are always ordering you around just because of your skin color, you might bristle at some commands. I listened to the recording of the Sandra Bland stop. The cop ordered her to put out her cigarette. She felt she had a right to smoke in her own car and refused. Her refusal triggered something in the cop, and in my opinion, he lost his cool at that point. Sure she could have just put out her cigarette, but I'm sure to her it seemed he was just full of himself and making arbitrary demands that the law did not require of her.
Who knows what was going through the mind of Keith Scott? |
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9/26/16 10:19 am
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Methocostal |
You made some good points Bonnie. It brought a different perspective. I still think there is a lot of situations where the public could protect themselves. I also understand the police being gittery when people aren't responding as they expect them too. It is a bad situation.
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Quote: | | Why is there no common sense advice to people that when Police say to do something, then DO IT. It I were told to get out the car with my hands up, you BET I WOULD. The problem appears that people have no respect for authority and are not going to let someone tell them what to do. |
That might solve some of the problems. Some situations are not that cut and dry, though. Just recently, I read new items about a deaf person being shot and killed by police and a doctor being shot by police and injured as he tried to cover a patient (maybe autistic, I don't remember). The other thing might be when the person is drugged (whether legal drugs or illegal drugs). I also know a situation personally of where a person was tazed and reacted to the pain of the tazer in a way he wouldn't normally have acted.
I remember once long ago going to RDU Airport with my husband to give a ride to a couple coming back from a vacation. I was very unfamiliar with most everything about the airport. (I've never flown and had very few occasions that I've been to an airport at all.) There were sights and sounds coming from all over. Someone was telling me to put my purse on the counter and I was moving straight ahead (like a zombie, I suppose) until I heard my husband say in almost a desperate tone of voice, "Bonnie, put your purse on the counter!" It was only then that it registered with me that the guy standing there had been addressing me and telling me to put my purse on the counter. Before that, to me his voice was blending in with all the other noises. I know that's not the same as a cop shouting at you to do something, but any witness would probably not have been able to tell why I didn't just follow the guy's orders.
I did once have a cop tell me to "Stick out your hand." I had no idea what he meant, and he definitely had to tell me twice. So I stuck out my hand and got a literal slap on the wrist.
Another thing is if you have the idea that cops are always ordering you around just because of your skin color, you might bristle at some commands. I listened to the recording of the Sandra Bland stop. The cop ordered her to put out her cigarette. She felt she had a right to smoke in her own car and refused. Her refusal triggered something in the cop, and in my opinion, he lost his cool at that point. Sure she could have just put out her cigarette, but I'm sure to her it seemed he was just full of himself and making arbitrary demands that the law did not require of her.
Who knows what was going through the mind of Keith Scott? |
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9/27/16 8:07 am
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Cojak |
FOLLOW ORDERS......
Probably from namy years of the military. but when you have a gun, and you know you should not have that gun, and police offiecers all around you are pointing their weapons at you, you would have to be HIGH to NOT DROP the GUN when you are ordered to.
YOu probably could be considered suicidal or wasted, to hold a hand gun when ordered to drop it.
I know the reason to shoot to kill, but I do not agree with it when you are in the majority. In my opinion one man should be authorized to shoot the man in the thigh (UNLESS THERE IS IMMEDIATE SEVERE DANGER), ONCE wounded surely five cops could run in and subdue the guy. BUT THEN I AM NOT THERE AND MY LIFE IS NOT ON THE LINE.
I cannot imagine the pressure on cops in a shooting situation, KNOWING the atmosphere at present. No LEO in his right mind would shoot to death anyone under the present atmosphere if he had a choice.
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9/27/16 11:14 pm
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Some folk--fer whatever reason--tend to provoke a situation.
I was stopped a while back by a state patrolman who happened to be black. OTCP is white. As I was told in concealed carry class, by the time the officer got to ma winder, I had my drivers license and CC permit in my hand, which I gave him immediately. I kept my hands on the top of the steering wheel the whole time. He went back to his car an in 5 minutes come back. My hands was still on the steering wheel.
1. He never said one thing about my CC permit.
2. He never ast if I had the gun with me, which was in the small a ma back in a holster.
3. He was professional and courteous.
4. He handed me my license, CC permit, along with a seat belt ticket (yep, I had fergot to put the thing on).
5. I said "thank you, sir, have a blessed day."
6. He walked off. I drove off.
No altercation. No nothin (cept at seat belt ticket). |
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9/28/16 4:34 am
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Carolyn Smith |
From what I understand from my black friends, being stopped by a police office is an ominous thing they are warned/trained about...how to act, what to say, be very careful, no sudden moves, etc. You literally don't know what will happen and it could end very badly for no reason, other than you're black. I don't know what that feels like. One friend was stopped (she felt) because she was a black woman driving a very expensive red car (her own) and felt she was being profiled. I can imagine that it's very demeaning and could make you angry and scared.
That said, I agree, if they tell you to put down the weapon (or whatever have in your hand,) you should put it down.
If you watched the video of Loran Livingston, you know the cop who shot the man in Charlotte is a member of Loran's church, has been for 20 years and is a fine young man, in his opinion. Grew up wanting to be a cop as his dad was one of the first black detectives in Charlotte. He needs our prayers.
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