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I'm attending a Southern Baptist church that wants to incorporate more spontaneity into its worship without drifting into the mindset described in this article. I am very interested in seeing how this turns out.
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1/30/19 10:46 am
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| I don't think there is a 1 to 1 correlation between this phenomenon (and I strongly agree with the article) and modern style. You can have a song with verses, a chorus, and a bridge that's played with drums and an electric guitar and not have the result that this author (IMO) correctly describes. Much of evangelical praise and worship is what he describes, because it's easy and it sells, but there are song writers (even famous/popular ones) still writing God-centered and God-focused worship songs. All that to say, I don't think one needs to trade a preference for the modern style to get away from this. They just have to be more selective and more theologically discriminating. |
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1/30/19 11:06 am
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| How much is worship? |
roughridercog |
And how much is just jamming to the music?
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| For the last 20+ years, when invited or inviting to church, the sales pitch has always been around "how great our p&w is!". The focus has shifted from "how great our people, pastor, teaching, love, etc... is" to "we have smoke and black ceilings!" I walked into a church recently in which I could barely see my hand in front of my face. I embarrassed my kids when I put out my hands like a blind person to make sure I didn't run into anything. |
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1/30/19 12:36 pm
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| Re: How much is worship? |
Dave Dorsey |
| roughridercog wrote: | | And how much is just jamming to the music? |
I'm sure some of it is jamming to the music, but in many cases I think it's much worse. It's indulgence in self-centered therapeutic deism, and the use of God as a vehicle for worship of self. I think what this author is describing would be much less pernicious if it was just simply a matter of jamming to the music. |
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1/30/19 12:51 pm
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Nature Boy Florida |
Sorry guys.
There was no need to call it Masturbatory.
The author is looking for the same sensationalistic "with-it" experience in his writing that he decries in others worship.
I guess saying the worship music is like being in a nightclub just doesn't titillate readers enough any more.
Maybe ejaculatory is next.
Or try PLEASE SELECT ANOTHER WORD alatory to be real hip.
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1/30/19 1:17 pm
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| I do understand your line of thought on this...but |
caseyleejones |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Sorry guys.
There was no need to call it Masturbatory.
The author is looking for the same sensationalistic "with-it" experience in his writing that he decries in others worship.
I guess saying the worship music is like being in a nightclub just doesn't titillate readers enough any more.
Maybe ejaculatory is next.
Or try PLEASE SELECT ANOTHER WORD alatory to be real hip.
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I am not sure what alternative metaphor that could be used to adequately describe what the author is attempting to convey.
By the way, I jam to "So Will I" and "Do it Again"....and even hit the repeat button. But why do I do that? Am I worshiping or gaining a fix in my current circumstances? I have done this for years with various songs and frankly, a few years ago a came to the conclusion it might very well be the latter...unfortunately.
At the same time, you found offense with the writers terminology but use the term cra* which you know is a banned word and offensive to some, but you still used it. |
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1/30/19 1:33 pm
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| Re: I do understand your line of thought on this...but |
Nature Boy Florida |
| caseyleejones wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Sorry guys.
There was no need to call it Masturbatory.
The author is looking for the same sensationalistic "with-it" experience in his writing that he decries in others worship.
I guess saying the worship music is like being in a nightclub just doesn't titillate readers enough any more.
Maybe ejaculatory is next.
Or try PLEASE SELECT ANOTHER WORD alatory to be real hip.
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I am not sure what alternative metaphor that could be used to adequately describe what the author is attempting to convey.
By the way, I jam to "So Will I" and "Do it Again"....and even hit the repeat button. But why do I do that? Am I worshiping or gaining a fix in my current circumstances? I have done this for years with various songs and frankly, a few years ago a came to the conclusion it might very well be the latter...unfortunately.
At the same time, you found offense with the writers terminology but use the term cra* which you know is a banned word and offensive to some, but you still used it. |
I used the word because I knew it would be overlayed with "Please Select Another Word".
Again, I jam with all music - why play it if folks don't like the sound?
But - Masturbatory - c'mon.
He could have called it: "Bad Sex - Not God's Way" - worship. Then the author would have really been a cool cat.
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1/30/19 1:45 pm
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| Re: I do understand your line of thought on this...but |
caseyleejones |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | caseyleejones wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | Sorry guys.
There was no need to call it Masturbatory.
The author is looking for the same sensationalistic "with-it" experience in his writing that he decries in others worship.
I guess saying the worship music is like being in a nightclub just doesn't titillate readers enough any more.
Maybe ejaculatory is next.
Or try PLEASE SELECT ANOTHER WORD alatory to be real hip.
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I am not sure what alternative metaphor that could be used to adequately describe what the author is attempting to convey.
By the way, I jam to "So Will I" and "Do it Again"....and even hit the repeat button. But why do I do that? Am I worshiping or gaining a fix in my current circumstances? I have done this for years with various songs and frankly, a few years ago a came to the conclusion it might very well be the latter...unfortunately.
At the same time, you found offense with the writers terminology but use the term cra* which you know is a banned word and offensive to some, but you still used it. |
I used the word because I knew it would be overlayed with "Please Select Another Word".
Again, I jam with all music - why play it if folks don't like the sound?
But - Masturbatory - c'mon.
He could have called it: "Bad Sex - Not God's Way" - worship. Then the author would have really been a cool cat. |
Your assessment is fair, no argument there. |
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1/30/19 2:20 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
I agree worship should be focused solely on God. I agree some folks may in fact be unintentionally worshipping their feelings/self. I also agree that we should not limit worship to a song we sing, but that everything we do, our whole life, is to be offered up as a living sacrifice to God and for others.
That said, I get the distinct feeling from reading this guy’s blog that he is a Michal not a David. |
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Eddie Robbins |
| He called it that for attention. It worked. He could have called it “a self gratification†worship style. But, it wouldn’t have made it to this board. |
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1/30/19 5:09 pm
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| I still would have posted it.....in fact... |
caseyleejones |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | He called it that for attention. It worked. He could have called it “a self gratification†worship style. But, it wouldn’t have made it to this board. |
I nearly chose not to based on his choice of words. It seems there are some valid points worth discussing if we can get by the words. |
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1/30/19 5:15 pm
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caseyleejones |
| sorry |
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1/30/19 5:17 pm
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Brandon Bohannon |
Many of our older saints are no different about their preferred style- thus the worship wars.
They too talk about how the song makes them feel. Not necessarily all bad as music is designed by its very nature to "take us to a place or time."
"I never shall forget that day..."
"While we walk the pilgrim pathway..."
"Let me hide myself in Thee..."
"I need Thee, oh I need Thee... I come to Thee."
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Eddie Robbins |
| Brandon Bohannon wrote: | Many of our older saints are no different about their preferred style- thus the worship wars.
They too talk about how the song makes them feel. Not necessarily all bad as music is designed by its very nature to "take us to a place or time."
"I never shall forget that day..."
"While we walk the pilgrim pathway..."
"Let me hide myself in Thee..."
"I need Thee, oh I need Thee... I come to Thee." |
Amen! And all night signings with “famous†quartets entertaining falling under the “worship†category. |
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A stink in God's nostrils I would think. My My My!!!! |
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1/30/19 9:49 pm
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| I've always wondered ... |
Mat |
I've always wondered, was the Apostle Paul a Gibson or a Fender man? The same for the Apostle Peter, but I know he was a Marshall amp man! 
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| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | Brandon Bohannon wrote: | Many of our older saints are no different about their preferred style- thus the worship wars.
They too talk about how the song makes them feel. Not necessarily all bad as music is designed by its very nature to "take us to a place or time."
"I never shall forget that day..."
"While we walk the pilgrim pathway..."
"Let me hide myself in Thee..."
"I need Thee, oh I need Thee... I come to Thee." |
Amen! And all night signings with “famous†quartets entertaining falling under the “worship†category. |
Indeed. Sometimes there is no distinction made between congregational worship and a concert, though one can worship at a concert.
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Mat |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | Brandon Bohannon wrote: | Many of our older saints are no different about their preferred style- thus the worship wars.
They too talk about how the song makes them feel. Not necessarily all bad as music is designed by its very nature to "take us to a place or time."
"I never shall forget that day..."
"While we walk the pilgrim pathway..."
"Let me hide myself in Thee..."
"I need Thee, oh I need Thee... I come to Thee." |
Amen! And all night signings with “famous†quartets entertaining falling under the “worship†category. |
Over the years I have learned how "ungodly" many of those Gospel quartet members were. I guess its no difference today with the P&W Team. As long as you can hit the note you get the stage.
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