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? Question, should the church of God change? |
Bishop Bugs Bunny |
Should the church of God change how it is ran? By this I mean should it leave the centralized form of government that we have known? |
Newbie Posts: 6 2/3/17 10:14 am
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sheepdogandy |
I post under, only one name.
I had nothing to do with this thread.
Carry on.  _________________ Charles A. Hutchins
Senior Pastor SPWC
Congregational Church of God
www.spwc.church |
Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7307 2/3/17 1:09 pm
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Da Sheik |
sheepdogandy wrote: | I post under, only one name.
I had nothing to do with this thread.
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I never suspected you SDA!
To answer the OP: No, that will never happen. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1865 2/3/17 1:17 pm

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Cojak |
Da Sheik wrote: | sheepdogandy wrote: | I post under, only one name.
I had nothing to do with this thread.
Carry on.  |
I never suspected you SDA!
To answer the OP: No, that will never happen. |
As I just said about another comment, 'Always the gentleman DS'  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 2/3/17 2:09 pm

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Re: ? Question, should the church of God change? |
Cojak |
Bishop Bugs Bunny wrote: | Should the church of God change how it is ran? By this I mean should it leave the centralized form of government that we have known? |
I certainly think the COG should modify or change some of it's policies. I think, guidelines should be set up for states to have a binding vote on it's leaders.
There should be a sunshine rule of the fiscal church, top to bottom.
I also think a period of time should be set to transfer ownership of church property to the local churches.
There may be a lot of complications in the above, it might be impossibe, I do not know, someone smarter than I could surely phase them in.
BUT then all of those have been discussed in depth here, methinks. _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
http://shipslog-jack.blogspot.com/ |
01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 2/3/17 2:18 pm

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The COG Apostle |
Let's say that it should. What does it take for it to happen according to the bylaws? What are the steps? |
Acts-celerater Posts: 566 2/3/17 3:38 pm
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Rather than expecting the impossible (a change in the COG) |
brotherjames |
although you ALL ARE men/women of Faith, you could just transfer your credentials to a more accommodating Fellowship that has a better polity. I don't know where you might find such a place although I once heard about a group that is based out of SW Missouri. Just sayin....
OR you could go independent like a certain poster and be accountable to no one for doctrine, finances or personal oversight (and don't tell me you're accountable to Jesus or your Board - we all are). I prefer the accountability of people of like precious faith and beliefs myself but to each their own. |
Acts-celerater Posts: 935 2/4/17 2:46 pm

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bonnie knox |
Quote: | I prefer the accountability of people of like precious faith and beliefs myself but to each their own. |
says the guy who doesn't let his congregation know exactly what his salary is. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 2/4/17 3:48 pm

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Have you ever noticed ... |
Mat |
Have you ever noticed when you speak to an independent church pastor he will tell you about the oversight group his church is under, and when you speak to a denominational pastor he will often say, "well, I'm of them, but not with them?"
So the denominational churches are often busy hiding who they are behind different church names and buried links on their website, while independent churches often tout who their "Apostolic" oversight is.
We may need more of one and less of the other. Or is it less of one and more of the other?
Mat |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1994 2/4/17 3:57 pm

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Re: Have you ever noticed ... |
Cojak |
Mat wrote: | Have you ever noticed when you speak to an independent church pastor he will tell you about the oversight group his church is under, and when you speak to a denominational pastor he will often say, "well, I'm of them, but not with them?"
So the denominational churches are often busy hiding who they are behind different church names and buried links on their website, while independent churches often tout who their "Apostolic" oversight is.
We may need more of one and less of the other. Or is it less of one and more of the other?
Mat |
Stop confusing me Mat, I having enough trouble trying to go to the correct public bathroom!  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
http://shipslog-jack.blogspot.com/ |
01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 2/4/17 4:28 pm

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Change? |
roughridercog |
Our government moves at an almost arthritic pace. Sometimes General Assembly is painful.
Hmmmmm, may we should have. G.O. Make executive orders?
(Just kidding)  _________________ Doctor of Bovinamodulation |
Acts Mod Posts: 25305 2/4/17 5:08 pm

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No one cares Bonnie |
brotherjames |
certainly not my congregation. But, I am accountable to the General Council of the Assemblies of God for doctrine, practice and financial oversight and to the District of the same to which I belong as well and then additionally to my local Board and the congregation. That is not the case for independents was my point - you're just "trolling"again. |
Acts-celerater Posts: 935 2/4/17 5:39 pm

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Re: No one cares Bonnie |
bonnie knox |
But the independent who posts here (sheepdogandy) is very transparent with his congregation. He is more transparent with the church finances than you are.
brotherjames wrote: | certainly not my congregation. But, I am accountable to the General Council of the Assemblies of God for doctrine, practice and financial oversight and to the District of the same to which I belong as well and then additionally to my local Board and the congregation. That is not the case for independents was my point - you're just "trolling"again. |
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 2/4/17 5:46 pm

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sheepdogandy |
I am accountable to our Church Council and Church Conference of Stewards.
I can be removed.
Our finances are posted for any and all to view.
Itemized and including every penny the Church gives me.
I just checked our web site to find it is out of whack at the moment.
When it is fixed it will contain our Church Constitution and By-laws for all of y'all to read and judge for yourself.
Since 1989 I have been a rabid Congregationalist.
I believe it's the Biblical way to go.
Before the accusations begin to fly, remember you all VOTE at General Assembly.  _________________ Charles A. Hutchins
Senior Pastor SPWC
Congregational Church of God
www.spwc.church |
Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7307 2/4/17 11:06 pm
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Re: Change? |
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COG Change |
Change Agent |
Those that ride and use the system don't want to change the system. Why is it that we all know who the next GO will be? Don't you know who the next GO will be? |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1449 2/5/17 11:11 am
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Re: COG Change |
Cojak |
Change Agent wrote: | ... ... Don't you know who the next GO will be? |
Huh uh!  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
http://shipslog-jack.blogspot.com/ |
01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 2/5/17 12:09 pm

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Re: COG Change |
Old Time Country Preacher |
Change Agent wrote: | Don't you know who the next GO will be? |
OTCP!!!!!! |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 2/5/17 1:25 pm
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Re: COG Change |
Cojak |
Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Change Agent wrote: | Don't you know who the next GO will be? |
OTCP!!!!!! |
I meant, I do not know who is gonna be the NEXT General Overseer, however I know who ain't. Seems they would like to a have a DR. before the name or DD after it.
And I ain't seen no DR OTCP yet... Just sayin'.  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 2/5/17 3:18 pm

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Quiet Wyatt |
I have pastored in the AG, and have many friends and relatives who are still in that organization. In my view, the CoG, though by no means perfect, and certainly capable of improvement, is nevertheless a far better organization than the good ol' AG in many ways, for pastors especially. If I wanted to be in more of a loose fellowship such as the AG, I would be. If I wanted to be in a congregationally governed local such as a Baptist church where the board has authority to hire and fire the pastor, I would be. It is not evident how such an arrangement is in any way superior or more scriptural than the CoG form of govt. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 2/5/17 3:19 pm
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