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 Once Sanctified Always Sanctified? (OSAS) |
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Back in the old days, preachers in the COG and a lot of other Pentecostal denominations used to preach you get saved, sanctified, then filled with the Holy Ghost.
The idea is that believers get sanctified all at once at one point after salvation. Depending on the understanding of 'sanctified' it can mean you reach a state of maturity where you generally don't sin, or it could mean you get to a point where you never sin again.
I've got a question for those who believe in sanctification as a one-time experiential event after salvation.
Well, what if someone gets sanctified and sins, like something big, adultery, lr they kill somone. Or they just won't forgive someone else. What does that mean? Do they lose their sanctification?
Is it a case of once sanctified, always sanctified? And if someone sins, that means he wasn't truly sanctified to begin with, and he needs to get sanctified? If they lose their sanctification, can they get sanctified again?
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8/12/16 4:35 pm
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You actually bring up a good question, Link. You are right about the PAST and the general feelings. I have to be honest, in my life in the COG I have seen/known folk. Humble wonderful folk, dedicated to God that I was sure (and still think) they never sinned after giving their hearts to the Lord.
We did teach a SINLESS LIFE but most folk could not measure up so we allowed for 'mistakes' NOT SIN. If one sinned 'big time' as you mentioned they lost it all. They 'KNEW' they had to start all over again, getting saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost AGAIN. That all could and most times DID happen with one time down to the alter.
To tell the truth, I do not know what we 'officially' believe now. I know that 99% of the preachers I know say 'All of us SIN'. A prayer for forgiveness settles it all.
Personally I am close to the Once Saved MOST ALWAYS saved. In that the Father is a good Father he does not cast us aside willy nilly, but like I would not cast my sons aside for doing something against my 'rules'. HE gives us a lot of leeway when we stray. How much? He knows.
I sure hope I am right. I remember as a teen, I knew if I got mad and said a BAD WORD, I was backslid and needed to PRAY THRU AGAIN! 
Just my opinion.
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| Re: Once Sanctified Always Sanctified? (OSAS) |
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| Link wrote: | Back in the old days, preachers in the COG and a lot of other Pentecostal denominations used to preach you get saved, sanctified, then filled with the Holy Ghost.
The idea is that believers get sanctified all at once at one point after salvation. Depending on the understanding of 'sanctified' it can mean you reach a state of maturity where you generally don't sin, or it could mean you get to a point where you never sin again.
I've got a question for those who believe in sanctification as a one-time experiential event after salvation.
Well, what if someone gets sanctified and sins, like something big, adultery, lr they kill somone. Or they just won't forgive someone else. What does that mean? Do they lose their sanctification?
Is it a case of once sanctified, always sanctified? And if someone sins, that means he wasn't truly sanctified to begin with, and he needs to get sanctified? If they lose their sanctification, can they get sanctified again? |
These are good questions, which each deserve an answer, answers which are all clarified by a careful reading of Wesley's "A Plain Account of Christian Perfection." It is really a shame more people don't study Holiness teaching from the quintessential expounder of the doctrine. While I personally am not exactly Wesleyan in my own view of sanctification, I still highly recommend Wesley's original declaration of his signature theological distinctive, entire sanctification. http://wesley.nnu.edu/john-wesley/a-plain-account-of-christian-perfection/
In short, a careful reading of what Wesley himself taught will plainly reveal that Wesley most definitely did not teach that sanctification was supposed to be a one-time experiential event after sanctification, nor did he teach that entire sanctification was incapable of being lost through willful sin, or that, if lost, could never be regained again by repentance and faith, or that sanctification somehow removed one's ability to sin (freewill), which, if true, would amount to, "once sanctified, always sanctified."
What Wesley himself taught is that initial sanctification begins with regeneration, ideally should steadily progress in the life of the believer until a spiritual crisis is reached, usually near the end of the believer's mortal life but possibly earlier, in which the tendency towards sinning is by grace reversed, the believer's heart is circumcised by faith, and one's spirit, soul and body is sanctified entirely (1 Thess. 5:23-24), and made perfect in love (e.g., 1 John 2:3-5, 4:12, 4:17-18). Wesley did teach that if one were entirely sanctified and later sinned, while a very tragic and shameful and unnecessary thing, such a one could indeed be restored to holiness of heart through repentance and faith.
For Wesley, the goal of the Christian life to be pursued with all diligence was this perfection in Christ's love, that Christ may be formed in us, that we might be perfect, as our Father in heaven is perfect, that we might be conformed to the image of His dear Son, that we might truly love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, and our neighbor as ourself, with the love that is poured out abundantly in our hearts by the Holy Spirit.
As to the ideas about sanctification that later developed in the Holiness Movement in general and in the CoG in particular, in my estimation one really sees things much more clearly once Wesley's doctrine of entire sanctification is understood on Wesley's own original terms. It is quite unfortunate that so many strange (and definitely unWesleyan) ideas about sanctification sprang up over the decades between Wesley's death in 1791 and the birth of the modern Pentecostal Movement in 1901. |
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Heb. 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. 14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
His offering, not our behavior, has sanctified us.
We have been sanctified and perfected for all time, not just until our next sin.
Jesus IS our sanctification. We are in Christ Jesus "by His doing", not ours.
1 Cor. 1:30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
The renewal of our minds, however, is a process of pulling down strongholds of wrong thinking (2 Cor. 10:3-6) and embracing the truth (John 8:32) that transforms our behavior, bringing about a holy lifestyle of love.
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8/13/16 7:24 am
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| Can a feller lose his sanctification, while keepin his salvation? |
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8/13/16 7:51 am
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Can a feller lose his sanctification, while keepin his salvation? |
Light hearted on our history:
YOu couldn't in 1949, could in 1983, not a real concern in 2000.
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As a youngster the enemy used the teachings I received to keep me out of fellowship with the Lord. I was brought up mostly in the Holiness Baptist Church.
The preachers taught Christianity as perfection. If you sinned you were out of fellowship with the Lord or backslid. I think I may have broken the record of backsliding. I would go to church get under conviction and give my heart to Jesus.
A few days later I would be tempted to "cuss" we did not curse. Or I would look at a girl with lust in my heart or smoke a cigarette (no pot) and the enemy convinced me I was backslid. Back to the altar I would go and get saved again. This went on from about age 12-16. Then at 16 I gave up and did as I wanted.
At 19 I heard the voice of God on night saying to me, "Larry ______ this is your night". I have no idea how I knew who it was or what He meant but I did. That night my life was changed forever.
Yes I have been tempted many times and have not always done the right thing, but He has never left me alone. He has always willfully forgiven me.
That has been many years ago and He is still holding my hand.
As for sanctification, for many years I have believed in progressive sanctification. Most CoG ministers I know also believe in progressive sanctification.
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Cojak |
| JLarry wrote: | As a youngster the enemy used the teachings I received to keep me out of fellowship with the Lord. I was brought up mostly in the Holiness Baptist Church.
The preachers taught Christianity as perfection. If you sinned you were out of fellowship with the Lord or backslid. I think I may have broken the record of backsliding. I would go to church get under conviction and give my heart to Jesus.
A few days later I would be tempted to "cuss" we did not curse. Or I would look at a girl with lust in my heart or smoke a cigarette (no pot) and the enemy convinced me I was backslid. Back to the altar I would go and get saved again. This went on from about age 12-16. Then at 16 I gave up and did as I wanted.
At 19 I heard the voice of God on night saying to me, "Larry ______ this is your night". I have no idea how I knew who it was or what He meant but I did. That night my life was changed forever.
Yes I have been tempted many times and have not always done the right thing, but He has never left me alone. He has always willfully forgiven me.
That has been many years ago and He is still holding my hand.
As for sanctification, for many years I have believed in progressive sanctification. Most CoG ministers I know also believe in progressive sanctification. |
Thousands of young folk were raised the same my friend, and we firmly believed it. What a yoke to place on a 12 year old. Oh well, there have been a lot of changes, methinks sanctification has always been progressive. 
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8/13/16 7:23 pm
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| JLarry wrote: | | I was brought up mostly in the Holiness Baptist Church. |
For several years I been tryin to pin point the problem with ya, JL. Now I know, son, you didn't grow up COG.  |
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Cojak |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | JLarry wrote: | | I was brought up mostly in the Holiness Baptist Church. |
For several years I been tryin to pin point the problem with ya, JL. Now I know, son, you didn't grow up COG. |
That should have been, "Thank God for Converts."
HOwever his youth would have been the same iffn he had been COG, religion wise!!!... 
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