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bradfreeman |
Religion, the knowledge of good and evil, makes you "like God."
It requires you to be the supply of life, blessing, love and forgiveness.
It requires you to sow and produce all these things by the sweat of your face in order to reap them.
Grace is you receiving His supply of life, blessing, love and forgiveness.
Religion, the Law, brings us to the reality that we are not the source, the supply, the origin of life, love, blessing, forgiveness, redemption or any other good and perfect gift...He is. Our attempts at being the source are rubbish.
"Treat others the same way you want them to treat you." Lk 6:31
This is how your Father rolls. He love, gives, blesses...first.
This is your Father's selfless love:
"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men." Lk 6:35
He does good, gives and is kind to all...not to get something "in returns."
This is what the Father's love looks like.
“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." Lk 6:27
He loves His enemies, does good to them, blesses them and is for them.
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Nature Boy Florida |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | Religion, the knowledge of good and evil... |
What scripture do you base your position that religion = the knowledge of good and evil?
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8/5/16 6:38 am
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bradfreeman |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | | Religion, the knowledge of good and evil... |
What scripture do you base your position that religion = the knowledge of good and evil? |
Do you think I should say: The Law is the knowledge of good and evil? I generally consider the Law as the picture of religious practice.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the source of death. It's best demonstrated through the connection between this Tree, the Law and death.
"but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Gen. 3:17
One transgression, seeking to be like God thru the knowledge of good and evil, brought the reign of death on all men. The Law came in so we'd own our transgression, have the knowledge of our own good and evil and so that one sin would become many sins.
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come" Rom. 5:12-14
"The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom. 5:20,21
The wages of sin is death.
"I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me." Rom. 7:9-11
"because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin." Rom. 3:20
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was the source death.
The Law is the ministry of that death.
"who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was" 2 Cor. 3:6,7
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8/5/16 8:14 am
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maqqebet |
"The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the source of death"
but another failed attempt to read in to something a preconception that colors all other thought even though it isn't true.
The Tree of the Knowledge of God and Evil IS NOT the source of death but it was Adam's disobedience that brought death.
Adam's Sin: "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from thee tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it.'" Genesis 3:17
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned...the wages of sin is death" Romans 5:12, 6:23.
The Tree of Knowledge was placed in the Garden to remind Adam he was accountable for his actions and disobedience has consequences, and the consequence Adam passed on to all mankind.
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8/5/16 8:36 am
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bradfreeman |
Thanks Maq,
The Law-lover speaks. Here's your faulty premise:
| maqqebet wrote: | | The Tree of Knowledge was placed in the Garden to remind Adam he was accountable for his actions and disobedience has consequences, and the consequence Adam passed on to all mankind. |
A reminder huh?
And the Law (given 2,500 years into humanity) was too?
A little late for our reminder, wasn't it?
Adam's disobedience was not believing God was freely giving Him life, blessing, sonship...everything. His choice evidenced that.
God's plan for man was immortality. It still is. It was and still is a free gift.
Adam chose to try to find life by his own good and evil and discovered there is no life and blessing apart from Life...just curses, toil, sweat, thorns and thistles.
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My website: www.bradfreeman.com
My blog: http://bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/ |
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8/5/16 10:49 am
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Nature Boy Florida |
| bradfreeman wrote: | | Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | bradfreeman wrote: | | Religion, the knowledge of good and evil... |
What scripture do you base your position that religion = the knowledge of good and evil? |
Do you think I should say: The Law is the knowledge of good and evil? I generally consider the Law as the picture of religious practice.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the source of death. It's best demonstrated through the connection between this Tree, the Law and death.
"but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Gen. 3:17
One transgression, seeking to be like God thru the knowledge of good and evil, brought the reign of death on all men. The Law came in so we'd own our transgression, have the knowledge of our own good and evil and so that one sin would become many sins.
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come" Rom. 5:12-14
"The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom. 5:20,21
The wages of sin is death.
"I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died; and this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me; for sin, taking an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me." Rom. 7:9-11
"because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin." Rom. 3:20
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was the source death.
The Law is the ministry of that death.
"who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was" 2 Cor. 3:6,7 |
Just as I suspected - there wasn't any.
Not surprised.
Put up lots of scriptures - that don't address the question asked - and hope the weight of it makes it so - but it still doesn't.
You simply made a hard left turn onto a road that doesn't exist...a specialty of yours.
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8/5/16 10:54 am
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maqqebet |
| bradfreeman wrote: | Thanks Maq,
The Law-lover speaks. Here's your faulty premise:
| maqqebet wrote: | | The Tree of Knowledge was placed in the Garden to remind Adam he was accountable for his actions and disobedience has consequences, and the consequence Adam passed on to all mankind. |
A reminder huh?
And the Law (given 2,500 years into humanity) was too?
A little late for our reminder, wasn't it?
Adam's disobedience was not believing God was freely giving Him life, blessing, sonship...everything. His choice evidenced that.
God's plan for man was immortality. It still is. It was and still is a free gift.
Adam chose to try to find life by his own good and evil and discovered there is no life and blessing apart from Life...just curses, toil, sweat, thorns and thistles. |
Indeed, I love the Law, along with the Prophets, the Writings, the Gospels, and the Apostolic Writings. All inspired by God, rightly divided and you have the Word of Truth.
The Law is good, holy, and inspired and is "profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." I'm sure you know the passage location.
You force a Greek paradigm upon a Hebrew mindset and you create false analogies and twist Scripture to mean what you want it to mean.
Further, you read way too much into Adam's introduction to the Tree of the K of G&E. It is just too simple for you to accept what Paul states - it was Adam's disobedience. He listened to the Woman's voice, choosing her position over God's command not to eat from the tree. He was disobedient. There is no fanciful entertaining of what life would be I I do this.
At least the woman could see the value - good to look at, good to eat, able to make wise - the big three, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life.
Adam just took a bite. There is no intellectual, moral, philosophical, theological exchange between the man and the woman. He took a bite of the fruit that God had forbidden - just plain disobedience. That's what Paul wrote.
You are simply looking for another way to present your hatred for the Law (since I'm a "Law lover" therefore you are a Law Hater).
You have gone the way of the Alexandrian School and typologically beat the same drum but that too is much a drift from the wisdom of the Hebrew mind.
The issue is not whether the Greek or the Hebrew perspective is better or worse than the other.
The issue is you cannot take a mindset foreign to the original and expect to find the answers you are looking for. You can't ignore the foundation if your going to build. You can't twist the original to say what it isn't saying and expect the end product to be a true reflection, just a twisted exhibition of a mind that exalts humanism over God Himself, that exalts human reasoning over the Reasoning of God.
That's all I have to write about it. Shabbat Shalom!!!!
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Mi kamocah ba'elim Adonai
"Who is like you, Adonai, among the mighty?" (Exodus 15:11, CJB) |
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8/5/16 2:59 pm
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bradfreeman |
| maqqebet wrote: | | Adam just took a bite. |
You don't, can't simply believe that God put an apple tree in a garden to see if Adam liked apples more than God.
Adam didn't choose to eat a peach. He chose the knowledge of good and evil to be like God. He chose to reach for Godhood...to become the source.
Jesus isn't simply a loaf of bread that we take a bite of and live. He is a message. He is a Word. We don't eat His body. We receive the Gospel by believing it.
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I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!
My website: www.bradfreeman.com
My blog: http://bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/ |
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8/6/16 7:10 am
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