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Dean Steenburgh |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The most that any of us can do is be salt and light. Properly homeschooled Christian kids are in fact very bright lights in any community. |
Again, since your wife is on the school board can you send that message to your community? |
Not sure what your question is exactly, but my wife and I are in total agreement that if they try to force 'transgender' restrooms here, with boys being able to use the girls' bathrooms, etc., or if try to push the gay agenda here (they have not done either of those things yet), we will be compelled by conscience to immediately take our kids out of the public schools for good. She will quite likely resign from her elected position on the school board as well if that happens. She ran for office with a desire to make a positive impact on the schools here. But if the school board and superintendent go along with the whole LGBTQ thing (they have thus far emphatically stated they would never let boys use the girls' locker room or bathroom, or vice versa), we would have no choice but to cut all ties with the school district. I can't imagine what else a conscientious Christian parent could reasonably be expected to do in that case. |
While I understand your lament & I agree with your desire to home school, I can't help but feel sorry for the thousands of kids who will not have the luxury to be home schooled & who could potentially lose a Christian conservative voice brought about by your wife's potential resignation.
Keep in mind QW that Hillary will impose every kind of non-Christian policy she possibly can & she will amp up the volume that Obama started.
It's obvious that we may not be able to change your vote or that of Eddie's but it's still a conviction of mine to try to elect the anti-Hillary opponent. He may be almost as liberal but at least I have a chance of not getting her ultra church hating agenda shoved down my throat.
I can live with casino's & strip joints but my church kids cannot be subjected to her tyranny against their little minds & I don't have the funds to give all of them a free home school education.
Reluctantly I will vote for Trump & hope & pray he keeps his word & I hope & pray he listens to Pastor J. Franklin & Dr. David Jeremiah & the other ministers he has called on for advisement.
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8/6/16 10:02 pm
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UncleJD |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: |
I too am involved in our local school district along with a few others in my church but we are feeling the heat with transgender bathrooms coming in soon & other nonsense.
Hey, you can stick your head in the sand & wish it all away I guess, |
Did I miss where Trump is against transgender use of their imaginary gender bathroom? Because last I heard out of his mouth was he wants them to go wherever they want to go. |
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8/7/16 8:28 am
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Eddie Robbins |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Dean Steenburgh wrote: |
I too am involved in our local school district along with a few others in my church but we are feeling the heat with transgender bathrooms coming in soon & other nonsense.
Hey, you can stick your head in the sand & wish it all away I guess, |
Did I miss where Trump is against transgender use of their imaginary gender bathroom? Because last I heard out of his mouth was he wants them to go wherever they want to go. |
He did because at the time he thought it was advantageous. He could have changed his mind 2 or 3 times by now. |
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8/7/16 9:32 am
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UncleJD |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Dean Steenburgh wrote: |
I too am involved in our local school district along with a few others in my church but we are feeling the heat with transgender bathrooms coming in soon & other nonsense.
Hey, you can stick your head in the sand & wish it all away I guess, |
Did I miss where Trump is against transgender use of their imaginary gender bathroom? Because last I heard out of his mouth was he wants them to go wherever they want to go. |
He did because at the time he thought it was advantageous. He could have changed his mind 2 or 3 times by now. |
I guess I'll put my head back in the sand and pretend Trump stands for things I wish he would.... oh, wait I can't, sorry Dean |
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8/7/16 10:38 am
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diakoneo |
I have not "gladly" voted for someone for president in years.
Regardless of who I will vote for (not Hillary) I will not "gladly" do it.
We have the worst choices I have seen in my lifetime of voting. I voted for Reagan the second time. Wasn't old enough the first and I did that gladly. I may have voted for Bush 1 gladly don't remember.
I am glad I have the opportunity to vote, but sad for the choices America has. |
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8/7/16 1:26 pm
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | Regardless of who I will vote for (not Hillary) I will not "gladly" do it.
We have the worst choices I have seen in my lifetime of voting. |
Ditto. |
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
georgiapath |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Travis Johnson wrote: | | That's a no brainier in my mind. |
I titally agree it's no brainier to vote for Trump over Hillary.  |
QW, while your logic seems good in your thought process ...it lacks in reality.
In reality either Trump or Hillary are going to win! Period!
So as somebody already pointed out in relation to the last election 4 years ago, when guys on this talk board could not in so called 'good conscience' vote for a Mormon, we ended up with 4 more years of Obama.
Obama has set this nation back in so many ways & I don't mean financially.
Hillary will do even worse.
Have you read her plan on what she intends to do after becoming POTUS?
One of her top 5 plans is to have Americans (even the ones who didn't vote for her or Trump) fund 3rd world abortion clinics so that they can have free access to unwanted pregnancies.
She has a plan to re-educate your elementary school age children into the most severe humanistic beliefs & training.
Look it up & read it.
Trump may not be a moral person & may I add he is not a Mormon (if only he were) but at least he doesn't have a plan to destroy our education system that is hanging on by a thread as we speak.
We at least have a fighting chance to enjoy a conservative lifestyle under Trump & he has asked about 2 dozen of our finest pastors to offer him help & guidance as well as prayer which is something Hillary will never do.
Keep in mind when you vote:
You can vote for whoever you want but only the votes for Hillary & Trump are going to matter cause only one of them is going to the white house.
The guy you vote for to make your conscience feel better is not going to win so why not use your vote to at least give conservatives a chance?
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You are so right, can't understand why these people still don't get it. Maybe some are on the government dole and want to keep the gravy trail going. |
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8/12/16 10:30 am
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Trump would have to be pretty bad for me to vote Hillary over Trump.
In fact - I am not sure he can possibly be worse than Hillary in my mind.
So - please keep the absurdities coming Donald - that keeps the news from focusing on the plans of each candidate.
When it gets close to election - roll out your plans next to Hillary's - you will win easily.
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8/12/16 11:11 am
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
Quiet Wyatt |
| georgiapath wrote: |
You are so right, can't understand why these people still don't get it. Maybe some are on the government dole and want to keep the gravy trail going. |
 That has got to be about the most retarded statement ever.
I am in fact a lifelong conservative. Trump has supposedly been 'conservative' for a few months. He has shown zero respect for the Bible or the US Constitution. He is as liberal as he's ever been. |
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
Cojak |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | georgiapath wrote: |
You are so right, can't understand why these people still don't get it. Maybe some are on the government dole and want to keep the gravy trail going. |
That has got to be about the most retarded statement ever.
I am in fact a lifelong conservative. Trump has supposedly been 'conservative' for a few months. He has shown zero respect for the Bible or the US Constitution. He is as liberal as he's ever been. |
Nah, we have lots worse! 
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
MARK317 |
| Travis Johnson wrote: | Donald Trump is right about unvetted immigration. It's ludicrous that we would invite the kind of nonsense Eurpoe is dealing with by accelerating this kind of immigration.
Further, a Hillary Clinton presidency is the end of a rational and Constitutional Supreme Court, period. Zero doubt about that. So, with a third party vote or a Hillary Clinton vote, get ready for more:
-IRS overreach into nonprofits
-even more permissive abortion policy, including your tax dollars funding it.
-restrictions on religious expression.
Donald Trump is crass. And, he is deeply flawed. So, we've got two candidates that are deeply flawed. That's the reality of our situation. With that said, I am voting for one of the two candidates that I think gives the best opportunity for freedom, security, and life. That's a no brainier in my mind. |
I understand what a Clinton presidency would mean to our freedom and rights. I get it. But, Trump repeatedly has personally attacked so many people along the way. To be honest, I was going to vote for him in the beginning. But then I watched over the last year continually lam-blast anyone who even asked him a question he didn't like. I've watched his campaign speeches and he is a man full of delusion and hate. His speeches have no content, and I feel any 12th grader could speak more coherently and articulate than Trump. He is an embarrassment to the republicans. And there is no way, I would ever vote for this silly, narcissistic man.
Donald Trump was never serious about being President. He did it for the Trump brand and ego. He started winning and now he is screaming out by his actions not to vote for him. This man never planned on it going this far.
We the people are the big losers in all this because we don't really have a choice and either candidate is going to throw this nation into a big mess.
It's all according which "mess" you want. , |
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8/12/16 6:29 pm
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MARK317 |
got in to this situation, thinking he would be president. It was simply a publicity stunt for his Trump name/ brand/ ego. It was to increase ratings for "The Apprentice".
But his narcissistic rhetoric was enough to get attention of a big enough slice of the pie, to win. The man never planned on winning. and he is doing everything he can to lose.
Every day, this man wakes up screaming out " Don't vote for me". At least that's his persona.
This man poses dangers and perils that will wreak havoc, that will make Hillary look like a girl scout.
Trump is not about freedom and liberties. Trump is about Trump.
Our problem now is that we all lose no matter who wins. |
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8/12/16 6:43 pm
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
UncleJD |
| MARK317 wrote: |
We the people are the big losers in all this because we don't really have a choice and either candidate is going to throw this nation into a big mess.
It's all according which "mess" you want. , |
I think the long-term Trump effect may very well be more devastating than Hillary. I think either one would be a one-term president. At the end of Hillary's term we may have 2 new judges ("may" since the Senate doesn't have to confirm anyone), but we'd have an in-tact Republican party with very likely a larger majority than we have today because of Hillary backlash and a Republican president with true conservative credibility going into the next term.
However, one failed term of Trump would give us a fractured Republican party, likely a moderate judge or two after Trump "does a deal", and a Democrat majority in both houses and at POTUS which will enact MUCH more than a few judges in terms of devastating liberal legislation.
I sincerely think we should all start looking at the long-term picture instead of just a hope and prayer for the next 4 years only. |
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8/12/16 6:46 pm
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
Cojak |
| UncleJD wrote: | | MARK317 wrote: |
We the people are the big losers in all this because we don't really have a choice and either candidate is going to throw this nation into a big mess.
It's all according which "mess" you want. , |
I think the long-term Trump effect may very well be more devastating than Hillary. I think either one would be a one-term president. At the end of Hillary's term we may have 2 new judges ("may" since the Senate doesn't have to confirm anyone), but we'd have an in-tact Republican party with very likely a larger majority than we have today because of Hillary backlash and a Republican president with true conservative credibility going into the next term.
However, one failed term of Trump would give us a fractured Republican party, likely a moderate judge or two after Trump "does a deal", and a Democrat majority in both houses and at POTUS which will enact MUCH more than a few judges in terms of devastating liberal legislation.
I sincerely think we should all start looking at the long-term picture instead of just a hope and prayer for the next 4 years only. |
JD, I really do not see that long term view, but I hope you are wrong about Trump and right about Hillary. Because I honestly see Trump being impeached and removed from office IF HE IS AS CRAZY IN THE JOB as most everyone seems to think. His base will disappear and the GOP will comeback together. Next time will be Rubio's I guess unless we have another Knight show up. 
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UncleJD |
Cojak, if the Republican party is stupid enough to elect someone that they end up impeaching then they will look even more ridiculous to the swing-voters that actually win elections than they do now. Further, if the Republican congress impeaches the anointed "anti-establishment" savior, then the Trump faction will all defect thinking that its some kind of establishment plot, I don't think they'll just disappear if Trump is spinning every failure as the fault of "the establishment" . In my mind it is a no-win scenario if there ever was one, and an impeachment from within his own party does not help future prospects in any way that I can imagine.
I too hope I'm wrong IF he's elected. I believe (and hope) I'm right should it be Hillary.
But we should all hope for the best and plan for the worst as wisdom would dictate. |
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8/12/16 9:58 pm
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| I am voting for Trump as well.... |
Jamie Noel |
First of all, Gary Johnson, from what I have read, is not even a considered candidate and shouldn't be for the Libertarians. Do you homework, folks. He is a supporter of abortion and has no plans to deal with it.
Secondly, and probably my biggest reason, is that we need to repeal Obamacare.....now more than ever.
My brother, who pastors a church, was recently called by his church accountant concerning a provision written into Obamacare. This provision has not been released through the media nor discussed and it greatly affects non-profits and churches.
According to the CPA, beginning 2017, all churches will be required to report hours of its pastoral staff.....not just employees. Law will require churches to pay 1.5 times for any hours over 40 and DOUBLE TIME during any Sunday work.
This measure will greatly affect the smaller churches and will hit each church financially. It will also cause many churches to reduce staffing.
Folks, God's people had to sit through terrible leadership. They had to honor and pay taxes to kings who "did evil in the sight of God." Heavy prices were paid. Terrible times were experienced. We have to look longer term with this upcoming decision. A Hillary presidency changes the face of our country for the next 2-3 generations. We may not agree with Donald morally. We may not jive with his narcissistic personality.....but he is at least looking to protect some of the basic freedoms we currently hold.....freedoms that will no longer exist starting next year.
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8/13/16 11:42 am
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| Re: I am voting for Trump as well.... |
diakoneo |
| Jamie Noel wrote: | First of all, Gary Johnson, from what I have read, is not even a considered candidate and shouldn't be for the Libertarians. Do you homework, folks. He is a supporter of abortion and has no plans to deal with it.
Secondly, and probably my biggest reason, is that we need to repeal Obamacare.....now more than ever.
My brother, who pastors a church, was recently called by his church accountant concerning a provision written into Obamacare. This provision has not been released through the media nor discussed and it greatly affects non-profits and churches.
According to the CPA, beginning 2017, all churches will be required to report hours of its pastoral staff.....not just employees. Law will require churches to pay 1.5 times for any hours over 40 and DOUBLE TIME during any Sunday work.
This measure will greatly affect the smaller churches and will hit each church financially. It will also cause many churches to reduce staffing.
Folks, God's people had to sit through terrible leadership. They had to honor and pay taxes to kings who "did evil in the sight of God." Heavy prices were paid. Terrible times were experienced. We have to look longer term with this upcoming decision. A Hillary presidency changes the face of our country for the next 2-3 generations. We may not agree with Donald morally. We may not jive with his narcissistic personality.....but he is at least looking to protect some of the basic freedoms we currently hold.....freedoms that will no longer exist starting next year. |
If Trump would start beating the drum on such policy ideas and stop opening his mouth about things really unrelated to the job of a president, he would probably see his numbers turn around. If he is electable, he should be able to lead the conversation and not allow the media to drag him into nonsense. For some reason he allows the media to drag him in. I do not think he is capable of doing what he says he will do. Good leaders stay on point and lead to where they want you go. Trump is like a dog chasing rabbits. A scent here he runs this way. A scent there he runs that way.
When Trump won, I was sad, but I was ready to come to the table with an open mind and hoping that somewhere along the line he had changed. He has not and he proves it time and again. If Trump loses it will be because of his lack of ability to show that he can lead on the issues. Not because conservatives voted for Johnson or Mickey Mouse |
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8/13/16 12:04 pm
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Eddie Robbins |
| He will lose because conservatives didn't choose the candidates they were told would beat Hillary. Totally ignored it. |
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Patrick Harris |
| Jamie Noel wrote: | First of all, Gary Johnson, from what I have read, is not even a considered candidate and shouldn't be for the Libertarians. Do you homework, folks. He is a supporter of abortion and has no plans to deal with it.
Secondly, and probably my biggest reason, is that we need to repeal Obamacare.....now more than ever.
My brother, who pastors a church, was recently called by his church accountant concerning a provision written into Obamacare. This provision has not been released through the media nor discussed and it greatly affects non-profits and churches.
According to the CPA, beginning 2017, all churches will be required to report hours of its pastoral staff.....not just employees. Law will require churches to pay 1.5 times for any hours over 40 and DOUBLE TIME during any Sunday work.
This measure will greatly affect the smaller churches and will hit each church financially. It will also cause many churches to reduce staffing.
Folks, God's people had to sit through terrible leadership. They had to honor and pay taxes to kings who "did evil in the sight of God." Heavy prices were paid. Terrible times were experienced. We have to look longer term with this upcoming decision. A Hillary presidency changes the face of our country for the next 2-3 generations. We may not agree with Donald morally. We may not jive with his narcissistic personality.....but he is at least looking to protect some of the basic freedoms we currently hold.....freedoms that will no longer exist starting next year. |
Actually the new law is quite easy to find if you look for it. Several church based accounting sites have the information. No conspiracy.
Has as always been the case ministers, especially ordained ministers, hold a religious exemption to the FLSA. It's been upheld by the courts as well.
For the others simply hold the paid employees to 40 hours or pay them overtime. Most businesses already abide by this policy why should the church be different. |
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8/13/16 3:41 pm
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