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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1037 **4/24/13 1:09 am**

I want to make a couple of observations from a more practical standpoint. The OSAS endorsers used a practical analogy to back them. They say that once you are a child of your parents you can never not be there child again for all eternity.

I do believe in each scriptural reference that has been offered. I believe in eternal security but not unconditional eternal security. But just let me offer a couple of things.

1. If it is impossible for me to lose my salvation then why does Satan tempt me, persecute me, try me, or involves himself in spiritual warfare against me? If I can never lose my salvation why would he bother with me? Some would suggest that he wants me to lose my rewards. If I am the devil I don't give a rats behind about the rewards. I don't want you to make it to Heaven.

2. If my sins past, present, and future are forgiven, then why would I ask the Lord to forgive me of my many sins every time I pray? That's what those who believe in OSAS do. If they are already forgiven then why ask for forgiveness?

I was sitting in a guys office one day who believes in eternal security very strongly, when I saw a stack of business size cards on his desk. I picked one up and it had a sketch of Jesus on there and a message that read, "Try Jesus! If you don't like him, Satan will always take you back." I looked at this guy and said, "You can't give these cards to people! If you believe in eternal security then Satan can never take you back." He didn't know what to say.

I am like one poster. I do not believe that it is as easy to backslide as I once thought it to be. There are many sins that we use to believe will send us to hell that I don't necessarily believe will anymore. However, I do still believe in righteousness and holiness. And, I still believe that we must walk and live right if we want to make it in.

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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/24/13 2:24 am**

Eternal security is by definition unconditional. One either believes in eternal security or else one believes in conditional security.

Jesus, the best theologian ever, said of the Prodigal Son that he had been "dead" and "lost" while a prodigal, and was "found" and "alive again" after returning/repenting to his father.

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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5657 **4/24/13 2:24 am**

There are those now who are saying that you don't need to repent of sins every time you commit them, at least not in the way we think of repenting. You don't have to ask forgiveness, they say, because you are already forgiven. You can't go to hell for sinning, they say. You can only go to hell for not believing in Jesus, period. Confused

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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5657 **4/24/13 2:26 am**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/24/13 2:32 am**

If conditional, then cannot be eternal.

If unconditional, then by definition eternal.

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to restate in hope of clarification.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/24/13 2:40 am**

I do agree that the definition of eternal is crucial to this discussion though, just not with regard to security as such.

Salvation is entering into the eternal life of God, which is Jesus (1 Jn 1:2, 1 Jn 5:20) and is only shared with those who are in the Son (1 Jn 5:11-13).

Friendly Face Posts: 252 **4/24/13 9:48 am**

My one cent's worth.

The reason that I can't believe in OSAS is that I have had the unfortunate, and unfortunate is not the best word here, experience of "back sliding".

I was saved when I was 17, been in a pentecostal church my entire life. When I reached my early 20's, I was married and divorced in 2 years. Instead of reaching to God I did the opposite and started doing the things that I did before I was saved and worse.

I did get back into church and asked the Jesus to forgive me of everything that I had done to myself, others and Him. That was 13-14 years ago I'm very excited to say. Now I'm remarried with a beautiful child and wife, the Lord is amazing.

During that time of being "back slid" there is no way that I can comprehend that If I died I would end up in Heaven, even though I had been saved before that mess. I still don't feel that I have the closeness that I had when I was first saved, but I know that I am.

So that being said. I've had the experience, so I'm not at the mercy of the ones with the theories.
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/24/13 9:40 pm**

John 5:24
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
24 `Verily, verily, I say to you -- He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.

Don't stop believin!

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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5657 **4/24/13 10:09 pm**

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Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **4/25/13 10:54 am**

Can a person have saving faith and not be faithful to the One who is saving him?

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Until faith is tried and you are proven faithful, have you endured testing?

And again...
Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

And again...
Revelation 2: 10. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Is faith as far away from faithfulness as some would have us believe, that a person could continue in practice of sin and unfaithfulness to God and still have saving faith. I don't think so!

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **4/25/13 11:04 am**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/25/13 11:07 am**

Young's Literal simply shows the literal Greek tenses of the verbs. Biblical faith is always a present reality, not only something one has had in the past.

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