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FLRon |
I have a question for the COG ministers here. If the denomination tells a credentialed minister to surrender their credentials, what happens if the minister refuses to do so?
Supposing the minister doesn't surrender them, is the minister somehow listed as "refused to surrender credentials", or some other designation? I realize the minister is no longer credentialed in the eyes of the denomination, I've just wondered about what that looks like on paper?
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Old Time Country Preacher |
| FLRon wrote: | I have a question for the COG ministers here. If the denomination tells a credentialed minister to surrender their credentials, what happens if the minister refuses to do so?
Supposing the minister doesn't surrender them, is the minister somehow listed as "refused to surrender credentials", or some other designation? I realize the minister is no longer credentialed in the eyes of the denomination, I've just wondered about what that looks like on paper? |
The best possible scenario is for the minister to voluntarily surrender his/her credentials.
If the denomination requires the credential to be minister to surrender said credentials, the minister's status is that of "revoked credentials." Now, the minister may refuse to turn in his/her certificate, and in such cases the denomination has no authority to forcibly take the certificate from the person; however, the certificate would be null/void. |
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6/23/17 9:11 pm
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FLRon |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | FLRon wrote: | I have a question for the COG ministers here. If the denomination tells a credentialed minister to surrender their credentials, what happens if the minister refuses to do so?
Supposing the minister doesn't surrender them, is the minister somehow listed as "refused to surrender credentials", or some other designation? I realize the minister is no longer credentialed in the eyes of the denomination, I've just wondered about what that looks like on paper? |
The best possible scenario is for the minister to voluntarily surrender his/her credentials.
If the denomination requires the credential to be minister to surrender said credentials, the minister's status is that of "revoked credentials." Now, the minister may refuse to turn in his/her certificate, and in such cases the denomination has no authority to forcibly take the certificate from the person; however, the certificate would be null/void. |
Thank you OTCP, that explanation makes sense to me. The credentials would simply become null and void, or worthless.
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| What about a minister that tries to surrender his credentials but is ignored by the denomination and has to resort to drastic measures? I have some experience here... |
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| peterz3fo wrote: | | What about a minister that tries to surrender his credentials but is ignored by the denomination and has to resort to drastic measures? I have some experience here... |
Why on earth would the denomination ignore a request like this? What would they gain by ignoring you? Seems to me that if you have made it clear that you no longer wish to continue in the fellowship it would be a simple thing to accept your decision.
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I read once here on Acts that when a person, like myself, surrendered their license voluntarily, there was still a note attached that the license were removed with cause. I have no idea if that is true or not. Since I do not care one way or the other I never checked. 
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| FLRon wrote: | | peterz3fo wrote: | | What about a minister that tries to surrender his credentials but is ignored by the denomination and has to resort to drastic measures? I have some experience here... |
Why on earth would the denomination ignore a request like this? What would they gain by ignoring you? Seems to me that if you have made it clear that you no longer wish to continue in the fellowship it would be a simple thing to accept your decision. |
It was both hilarious and frustrating. I started by just not sending in reports and assumed I would receive a letter threatening to revoke my credentials. No letter...six months later I received a preferential ballot for the State Overseer. I contacted the State Office, spoke with a secretary, asked to be removed from the mailing list and for my credentials to be revoked. Out of curiosity, I logged in to ministerial reporting a few months later. It was still active! I updated all of my delinquent reports (almost a year's worth!) with ZEROES and a note in the comments to please remove me from the system. NOTHING!
Then, I allowed immaturity to creep in! I started posting numbers along with a note. I will refrain from discussing the nature of the numbers or the note!  Finally, I was cc'd on a letter from Cleveland to my state office. A week later, I received an unpleasant note from the SO stating they were revoked.
11 years later...well, I creep around here every now and then kind of like an ex looking at his former spouse's Instagram account! |
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| peterz3fo wrote: | | FLRon wrote: | | peterz3fo wrote: | | What about a minister that tries to surrender his credentials but is ignored by the denomination and has to resort to drastic measures? I have some experience here... |
Why on earth would the denomination ignore a request like this? What would they gain by ignoring you? Seems to me that if you have made it clear that you no longer wish to continue in the fellowship it would be a simple thing to accept your decision. |
It was both hilarious and frustrating. I started by just not sending in reports and assumed I would receive a letter threatening to revoke my credentials. No letter...six months later I received a preferential ballot for the State Overseer. I contacted the State Office, spoke with a secretary, asked to be removed from the mailing list and for my credentials to be revoked. Out of curiosity, I logged in to ministerial reporting a few months later. It was still active! I updated all of my delinquent reports (almost a year's worth!) with ZEROES and a note in the comments to please remove me from the system. NOTHING!
Then, I allowed immaturity to creep in! I started posting numbers along with a note. I will refrain from discussing the nature of the numbers or the note! Finally, I was cc'd on a letter from Cleveland to my state office. A week later, I received an unpleasant note from the SO stating they were revoked.
11 years later...well, I creep around here every now and then kind of like an ex looking at his former spouse's Instagram account! |
Sad story. Seems like perhaps a face to face meeting was in order if you really wanted to turn in your license. Though I guess you got what you wanted in the end.
You don't have to stalk, bro. C'mon back. 
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| peterz3fo wrote: | | What about a minister that tries to surrender his credentials but is ignored by the denomination and has to resort to drastic measures? I have some experience here... |
I know it's water under the bridge now. However, all you would have had to do is to send your certificate along with a letter to the State Overseer and copy it it to the General Overseer. |
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6/28/17 8:06 pm
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sheepdogandy |
I sent mine directly to the General Overseer. I could not trust the state overseer to properly process my withdrawal from Cleveland's oversight.
Just saying....... 
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| sheepdogandy wrote: | | I could not trust the state overseer . |
Even when he was singin? |
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sheepdogandy |
Nope the man was a lunatic. 
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