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Quiet Wyatt |
I really do get the impression that those who say things like, "Not voting for Trump is a vote for Hillary" sincerely believe that Trump is a truly trustworthy defender of conservative values who would be a far better President than Hillary, really would appoint conservative justices to the Supreme Court, genuinely is prolife, would really build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, etc...
Precisely WHY they find him believable at all is beyond me. I personally can't stand the thought of either Trump or Hillary being President, and cannot, in good conscience, vote for either of these complete moral reprobates the major parties have nominated. I can say, without fear of rational contradiction, that a vote for neither is a vote for neither. |
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8/6/16 6:25 pm
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
Quiet Wyatt |
| Travis Johnson wrote: | | That's a no brainier in my mind. |
I totally agree it's no brainier to vote for Trump over Hillary. 
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8/6/16 6:30 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| One yuge problem with voting for the lesser of two evils is, the evils just keep getting progressively more liberal each time. |
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8/6/16 6:36 pm
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Patrick Harris |
| Aaron Scott wrote: | My beloved brother, I am afraid that if Trump loses, it will be YOU who has lost all right to be a voice for moral good! You will have stopped the last, best chance we had to, despite all of Trump's many flaws, to install a Supreme Court that can be a voice for life and conservative values.
I don't want to hear a SINGLE WORD against abortion from someone who flittered away the opportunity to vote for the ONE candidate that actually has a chance to change the Supreme Court in the direction we would like.
Seriously.
There has NEVER been a candidate that met all our requirements! NEVER. If you look deep enough, you will find serious problems. Shoot, we can't even find a local pastor that gets it all right for everyone, let along a presidential candidate. Yes, we might want someone more palpable, but last time, Mitt Romney was the candidate...and some refused to vote for him because he was--GASP!--a...a...MORMON!!!!
And so, for whatever reason, despite a number of good potential Republican candidates, Trump came out on top. People are sick and tired of politician who can say all the right things, nothing too far this way or that, yet who then turn around and pretty much do nothing good for our country. We are tired of "maintainers" and want someone who seems to have at least some drive for a return (or perhaps a first arrival) to an America that we dream of and aspire to.
I don't think Trump is conservative at his core. But he is going to know who voted him in, and I believe he will honor that. If there is anything he is YUGE on, it is loyalty. And when someone shows loyalty to him, well, I think we can expect an effort to create a Supreme Court that will be somewhat in accord with our wishes.
But with Hillary, you can expect that opposite. I won't be voting for her, but she is good. She is a consummate politician. And if she wins, I think we likely have lost the America we dream of forever. It may not happen overnight, but I think that this may prove to be a final chance.
Besides, after Trump appoints who we want, if you don't want to vote for him next time, don't. But don't miss the opportunity we've always wanted to truly impact the Supreme Court. |
Newsflash.
You are betting on a SC nomination that may not go your way at all.
I dont consider that maybe appointment important enough to vote for a narcissistic psychopath like Trump.
For 30 plus years the Republicans have done nothing on abortion so apparently thats not really that important either.
If evangelicals are the primary reason that idiot is elected then we as believers may not ever utter the words Biblical marriage again.
I vote my conscience. End of story.
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8/6/16 6:51 pm
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
Dean Steenburgh |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Travis Johnson wrote: | | That's a no brainier in my mind. |
I titally agree it's no brainier to vote for Trump over Hillary. |
QW, while your logic seems good in your thought process ...it lacks in reality.
In reality either Trump or Hillary are going to win! Period!
So as somebody already pointed out in relation to the last election 4 years ago, when guys on this talk board could not in so called 'good conscience' vote for a Mormon, we ended up with 4 more years of Obama.
Obama has set this nation back in so many ways & I don't mean financially.
Hillary will do even worse.
Have you read her plan on what she intends to do after becoming POTUS?
One of her top 5 plans is to have Americans (even the ones who didn't vote for her or Trump) fund 3rd world abortion clinics so that they can have free access to unwanted pregnancies.
She has a plan to re-educate your elementary school age children into the most severe humanistic beliefs & training.
Look it up & read it.
Trump may not be a moral person & may I add he is not a Mormon (if only he were) but at least he doesn't have a plan to destroy our education system that is hanging on by a thread as we speak.
We at least have a fighting chance to enjoy a conservative lifestyle under Trump & he has asked about 2 dozen of our finest pastors to offer him help & guidance as well as prayer which is something Hillary will never do.
Keep in mind when you vote:
You can vote for whoever you want but only the votes for Hillary & Trump are going to matter cause only one of them is going to the white house.
The guy you vote for to make your conscience feel better is not going to win so why not use your vote to at least give conservatives a chance?
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8/6/16 6:52 pm
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Travis Johnson |
I'm not looking to vote for the lesser of two evils. I am voting for the greatest opportunity to maintain freedom of speech/expression.
As it stands now, I've had to instruct my church staff never to answer someone directly about whether or not we rent our space for weddings. I know someone out there is shopping a discrimination lawsuit somewhere regarding a same sex wedding.
And, our freedoms have been eroded to the degree that Hillary Clinton feels comfortable saying that when it comes to social issues, religious people need to change their views.
I personally am not going to facilitate further erosion of personal or religious expression because I can muster a vote for a crass Donald Trump. The fact that only months ago, transgender bathrooms were forced on public elementary schools, of which my kids attend and my taxes fund and over the objection of sane parents, teachers and administrators is all the encouragement I need to make that vote.
I'm into ideals and principles. But, we also have to be pragmatic. Hoping that a saint runs for office who is also an effective politician just isn't an effective strategy. In fact, hope is never a strategy.
The strategy here for me is clear. Do what you can with what you have. I'm glad to participate. |
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8/6/16 6:55 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
I did what so many are arguing now when I voted for McCain and then Romney. I see absolutely no believable upside to voting for a complete charlatan like Trump though. I likewise can see no possible upside voting for Hillary. While I have never been registered with ANY political party, I have always voted as conservatively as possible. Trump is no conservative. Those who believe he can be relied on to keep even a minute percentage of his promises are incredibly naive.
Vote what your conscience will allow you to vote. I cannot and must not vote against mine. |
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8/6/16 7:09 pm
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| Re: I am voting for Donald Trump...gladly |
c6thplayer1 |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | Travis Johnson wrote: | | That's a no brainier in my mind. |
I titally agree it's no brainier to vote for Trump over Hillary. |
Hillary will do even worse.
Have you read her plan on what she intends to do after becoming POTUS?
One of her top 5 plans is to have Americans (even the ones who didn't vote for her or Trump) fund 3rd world abortion clinics so that they can have free access to unwanted pregnancies.
She has a plan to re-educate your elementary school age children into the most severe humanistic beliefs & training.
Look it up & read it.
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Heres how I see it , Congress would never allow her to do these things and if they did allow it then it really doesnt matter who the POTUS is.
| Quote: | Keep in mind when you vote:
You can vote for whoever you want but only the votes for Hillary & Trump are going to matter cause only one of them is going to the white house. |
I guess the matter of ones conscious or personal convictions dont matter if you take that approach. So we lose again. |
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8/6/16 7:13 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
Dean,
My wife serves on our local school board. We are VERY involved in the educational process of our five children, and are big supporters of our local schools here in small-town America. Nevertheless, we have already discussed and are already prepared to homeschool our kids again if need be.
In any case, I have heard nothing from the strip club/casino owner, Donald Trump, which would make me think that he genuinely intends to do anything substantive to reverse the moral decline of our nation. Give me a break. |
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8/6/16 7:14 pm
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Eddie Robbins |
| I'm not voting for Hillary but an argument can be made that if she wins, the GOP will get stronger in Congress and there's a better chance at winning the presidency in 2020. I cannot and will not vote for Trump. |
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8/6/16 7:24 pm
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Dean Steenburgh |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | Dean,
My wife serves on our local school board. We are VERY involved in the educational process of our five children, and are big supporters of our local schools here in small-town America. Nevertheless, we have already discussed and are already prepared to homeschool our kids again if need be.
In any case, I have heard nothing from the strip club/casino owner, Donald Trump, which would make me think that he genuinely intends to do anything substantive to reverse the moral decline of our nation. Give me a break. |
I too am involved in our local school district along with a few others in my church but we are feeling the heat with transgender bathrooms coming in soon & other nonsense.
Hey, you can stick your head in the sand & wish it all away I guess, but taking your kids to home school doesn't help the other kids in your community.
FYI, he doesn't own a strip club but I'll let you dig that one out cause I thought he did too until I read up.
Again, I'm not trying to find the morality maker in this election, I'm just trying to vote for the one who says he is on the side of the local guy & the church & using your rational I'm afraid we would be in more trouble if more voted like you.
Don't paint me wrong, I'm not Trump's fan but I see the writing on the wall too. One of these two people are going to win & regardless of how much disdain I have for him I'm not going to let my vote go against him by voting for Hillary or some other.
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8/6/16 7:36 pm
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Dean Steenburgh |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | I'm not voting for Hillary but an argument can be made that if she wins, the GOP will get stronger in Congress and there's a better chance at winning the presidency in 2020. I cannot and will not vote for Trump. |
Pipe dream Eddie & 'NO' that argument cannot be made in the real world!
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8/6/16 7:39 pm
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Eddie Robbins |
| In the real world, Trump is NO conservative. He is all mouth and says what he thinks people want to hear. |
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8/6/16 7:44 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
I am definitely NOT putting my head in the sand.
| Quote: | It's time for Republicans of all stripes and Evangelicals in particular to meet Donald Trump, The King of Sleaze.
In 2013, when Mr. Trump owned the Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City he brought the first strip club to the area's casinos. Who thought that the gambling ghetto could be brought to a new low? Donald Trump figured out how to do it.
The reportedly $ 25 million, 36,000 square feet of "adult" entertainment within the casino featured "modified lap dancing" and women stripping down to G-strings and pasties, among other live porn activities. The casino is no longer owned by Trump (he filed for bankruptcy, leaving others with millions upon millions of his debt and losses), but the Trump Taj Mahal still bares the Trump name. So the man who seeks to have his name associated with the White House will still have his name proudly associated with a Casino that degrades and debases women.
http://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2016/02/28/meet-donald-trump-the-king-of-sleaze-n2126157 |
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8/6/16 7:50 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Eddie Robbins wrote: | | In the real world, Trump is NO conservative. He is all mouth and says what he thinks people want to hear. |
Truer words have never been said. He has shown no familiarity, much less respect, for the US Constitution. Hillary is no friend of the constitution, either, for that matter. |
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8/6/16 7:54 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| The most that any of us can do is be salt and light. Properly homeschooled Christian kids are in fact very bright lights in any community. |
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8/6/16 7:57 pm
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Dean Steenburgh |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | I am definitely NOT putting my head in the sand.
| Quote: | It's time for Republicans of all stripes and Evangelicals in particular to meet Donald Trump, The King of Sleaze.
In 2013, when Mr. Trump owned the Taj Mahal Casino in Atlantic City he brought the first strip club to the area's casinos. Who thought that the gambling ghetto could be brought to a new low? Donald Trump figured out how to do it.
The reportedly $ 25 million, 36,000 square feet of "adult" entertainment within the casino featured "modified lap dancing" and women stripping down to G-strings and pasties, among other live porn activities. The casino is no longer owned by Trump (he filed for bankruptcy, leaving others with millions upon millions of his debt and losses), but the Trump Taj Mahal still bares the Trump name. So the man who seeks to have his name associated with the White House will still have his name proudly associated with a Casino that degrades and debases women.
http://townhall.com/columnists/rebeccahagelin/2016/02/28/meet-donald-trump-the-king-of-sleaze-n2126157 |
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I think you can dig deeper & find he doesn't own the strip club but the strip club uses his building & he made the comment back in 2014 that allowing the owner to license the Trump name was a bad idea.
Not arguing his morality as much as you want to defame it just putting the facts out there.
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Dean Steenburgh |
| Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The most that any of us can do is be salt and light. Properly homeschooled Christian kids are in fact very bright lights in any community. |
Again, since your wife is on the school board can you send that message to your community?
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8/6/16 8:55 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Too funny. I don't think it is remotely possible to defame The Donald. |
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8/6/16 8:56 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | Quiet Wyatt wrote: | | The most that any of us can do is be salt and light. Properly homeschooled Christian kids are in fact very bright lights in any community. |
Again, since your wife is on the school board can you send that message to your community? |
Not sure what your question is exactly, but my wife and I are in total agreement that if they try to force 'transgender' restrooms here, with boys being able to use the girls' bathrooms, etc., or if try to push the gay agenda here (they have not done either of those things yet), we will be compelled by conscience to immediately take our kids out of the public schools for good. She will quite likely resign from her elected position on the school board as well if that happens. She ran for office with a desire to make a positive impact on the schools here. But if the school board and superintendent go along with the whole LGBTQ thing (they have thus far emphatically stated they would never let boys use the girls' locker room or bathroom, or vice versa), we would have no choice but to cut all ties with the school district. I can't imagine what else a conscientious Christian parent could reasonably be expected to do in that case. |
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8/6/16 9:04 pm
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