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 WW2 European Theatre, what a waste. |
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We spent all that American blood to take Eastern Europe from one dictator only to give it to an even murderous dictator. Then we drew a line in the sand and told the new dictator, "You can't cross this line", spending trillions to keep that policy in force for 50 years.
Question......why didn't we just do that with Hitler? Much of the central and eastern European countries were his allies. We simply could have warned him to stay out of western Europe, which he really had no designes on to begin with. Central Europe could then have been a buffer between western Europe and the USSR, the far greater menace. No war. No holocaust.
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And when did those people die that are pictured? It was not until 1943, that the Nazis knew that it was all over, that the "Final Solution" was implemented. While Jews were persecuted in Germany in the 30's, there were no mass killings. Many of Hitler's allies in central Europe did not agree with his policies on the Jews. Thus if there had been no declaration of war by France and Britain, Hitler never would have had access to those Jews and the Holocaust would not have happened. By the time Hitler came to power, Stalin had already slaughtered millions more than the Nazis ever would.
So my point remains. The European Theatre was a waste. If we drew a line with the Soviets, Western Europe could have done the same with Hitler, saving millions of lives.
I'll make an assumption now that you had no idea the mass killings did not start happening until 1943. You probably think the Holocaust was going on in the 30's, didn't you?
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| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | |
And when did those people die that are pictured? It was not until 1943, that the Nazis knew that it was all over, that the "Final Solution" was implemented. While Jews were persecuted in Germany in the 30's, there were no mass killings. |
This is simply not true, RS. True, the Final Solution went into full swing in 1943, but there were numerous mass killings prior to that. Study ya history, son, an don't be tryin to pull one over on the ole timer. |
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| RS is a few ticks shy of being a holocaust denier (if that much). OTCP is right, they sped things up in 43, but prior to that they just worked them to death as free slave labor because they saw no end to their wickedness. There are few wars that we've fought since the Civil war that were just, but WWII was one. Even if we didn't know what we were fighting for, in the end, it was clear that it was God's will to use us to save His people. |
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | |
And when did those people die that are pictured? It was not until 1943, that the Nazis knew that it was all over, that the "Final Solution" was implemented. While Jews were persecuted in Germany in the 30's, there were no mass killings. |
This is simply not true, RS. True, the Final Solution went into full swing in 1943, but there were numerous mass killings prior to that. Study ya history, son, an don't be tryin to pull one over on the ole timer. |
There were indeed killings prior to 1943, but nothing on the scale of the Holocaust. But the point remains, Hitler would not have had access to them had there not been a silly war guarantee given to Poland by France and Britain. Later, they admitted that they gave Poland that guarantee thinking it would somehow prompt Poland to negotiate with Hitler. Sadly, it had the opposite effect causing Poland to thumb its nose at the German dictator. France and Germany knew they could not defend Poland. Their war guarantee was a fraud. Hitler was not planning on annexing Poland. He wanted them as an ally against Russia. He was not even asking for huge chunks of land from them. He wanted the port city of Danzig that was 90% German. Even Churchill admitted Hitler's demand was not unreasonable. Poland was a quasi-fascist dictatorship that was persecuting its own Jews. This is what we all went to war over.
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| Thats the nice thing about Revisionist History you can't prove or disprove stupid statements like there would have been "no holocaust". |
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| Patrick Harris wrote: | | Thats the nice thing about Revisionist History you can't prove or disprove stupid statements like there would have been "no holocaust". |
There is no revision at all. Please point out the revision in one thing I posted.
Remember, I'm speaking directly about the years of 1939 on.
Hitler had allies. He did not control these countries. Most of them rejected his Jewish policies. So those Jews were out of Hitler's reach.
Poland-Hitler wanted them as an ally, a buffer against the Soviets. Had Poland allowed Danzig to be co-administered by the two countries, and for a road to be built for German transit to that city, Hitler would not have invaded. Thus he would have had no access to those Jews.
Western Europe- No war with Western Europe means Hitler has no access to their Jews.
Therefore, the only Jews he would have had access to would have been German Jews, which he was not killing in mass. He was simply trying to rid Germany of them.
So what does that leave? Even after the invasion of Poland, the western European powers could have drawn a line and said , "no further". He didn't want war with them to begin with.
Eventually, the Axis powers might have conquered the USSR, and that could have meant trouble for the Jews there, but it would also have eliminated a grave threat to the West.
So again, where's the "revision"?
Why not draw the line with Hitler instead of Stalin?
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| UncleJD wrote: | | RS is a few ticks shy of being a holocaust denier (if that much). OTCP is right, they sped things up in 43, but prior to that they just worked them to death as free slave labor because they saw no end to their wickedness. There are few wars that we've fought since the Civil war that were just, but WWII was one. Even if we didn't know what we were fighting for, in the end, it was clear that it was God's will to use us to save His people. |
And you are a few clicks shy of being a liar. It is one thing to disagree with me. It is another to pretend like you don't understand my point and then debate with your misrepresentation. The point is, had Britain and France not given a war guarantee to Poland there would have been no war and Hitler would not have had access to jews outside of Germany. Am I clear?
And let's talk about "just wars". Had we not let ourselves get sucked into WW1 against Germany, there never would have been a Hitler. We had no stake in that war. Wilson was lied to when he was promised there would be no dismemberment of Germany. There perhaps has never been a nation that was betrayed in history as post WW1 Germany was. Just as we created ISIS, we created Hitler and Stalin through our insane foreign policies. So all of the victims and ISIS and Hitler have western nations to thank for their demise.
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Absolutely, I've read several books on Hitler as he fascinates me and you are right. I am revising my comment now in case someone gets the wrong view of what I meant. He "fascinates" me from the prospective of how a country could fall for one so evil. NOT that I admire him.
| UncleJD wrote: | | RS is a few ticks shy of being a holocaust denier (if that much). OTCP is right, they sped things up in 43, but prior to that they just worked them to death as free slave labor because they saw no end to their wickedness. There are few wars that we've fought since the Civil war that were just, but WWII was one. Even if we didn't know what we were fighting for, in the end, it was clear that it was God's will to use us to save His people. |
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And you are a Hitler apologist as well. " Hitler wasn't so bad, he could have been negotiated with, and its America's fault he did the things he did. Poor old Hitler. "  |
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Are you saying if we had not been involved, Hitler would have stayed in Germany. I guess by extension, he would have "only" murdered German Jews? In either case, do you really think he would have stayed there? He wanted to conquer the world and he would have had not the US entered the war.
I can't speculate on your WW1 hypothesis, perhaps you are right. But, once Hitler got power, he wanted the World. One cannot reason with bullies. They only understand strength.
Chamberlain saw that to his chagrin.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | RS is a few ticks shy of being a holocaust denier (if that much). OTCP is right, they sped things up in 43, but prior to that they just worked them to death as free slave labor because they saw no end to their wickedness. There are few wars that we've fought since the Civil war that were just, but WWII was one. Even if we didn't know what we were fighting for, in the end, it was clear that it was God's will to use us to save His people. |
And you are a few clicks shy of being a liar. It is one thing to disagree with me. It is another to pretend like you don't understand my point and then debate with your misrepresentation. The point is, had Britain and France not given a war guarantee to Poland there would have been no war and Hitler would not have had access to jews outside of Germany. Am I clear?
And let's talk about "just wars". Had we not let ourselves get sucked into WW1 against Germany, there never would have been a Hitler. We had no stake in that war. Wilson was lied to when he was promised there would be no dismemberment of Germany. There perhaps has never been a nation that was betrayed in history as post WW1 Germany was. Just as we created ISIS, we created Hitler and Stalin through our insane foreign policies. So all of the victims and ISIS and Hitler have western nations to thank for their demise. |
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Evidentally, the blame America first "diplomacy" institagated by Obama has invaded our thinking.
We really need to go apologize to the Japanese for bombing them. Forget we saved both American and Japanese lives as a result. Indeed the bomb was terrible, brought great destruction and killed hundreds of thousands, but the death toll would have been multifold what it was without the bomb.
That said, I wish the bomb was not created because the potential exists to dwarf the casulaties (or potential casualities) in Japan. Nevertheless, it is what it is, and we must deal with that fact.
| UncleJD wrote: | | And you are a Hitler apologist as well. " Hitler wasn't so bad, he could have been negotiated with, and its America's fault he did the things he did. Poor old Hitler. " |
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| UncleJD wrote: | | And you are a Hitler apologist as well. " Hitler wasn't so bad, he could have been negotiated with, and its America's fault he did the things he did. Poor old Hitler. " |
Again, you lie , misrepresent, and know you are doing it.
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| Methocostal wrote: | Evidentally, the blame America first "diplomacy" institagated by Obama has invaded our thinking.
We really need to go apologize to the Japanese for bombing them. Forget we saved both American and Japanese lives as a result. Indeed the bomb was terrible, brought great destruction and killed hundreds of thousands, but the death toll would have been multifold what it was without the bomb.
That said, I wish the bomb was not created because the potential exists to dwarf the casulaties (or potential casualities) in Japan. Nevertheless, it is what it is, and we must deal with that fact.
| UncleJD wrote: | | And you are a Hitler apologist as well. " Hitler wasn't so bad, he could have been negotiated with, and its America's fault he did the things he did. Poor old Hitler. " |
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No, we should blame the Globalists since they seem to be the ones behind these things. I'm sure you see the fallacy it was deposing Sadam and Gadhafi in the name of "freedom" only to let worse sorts rise to take their place. That is what we did by getting involved in WW1.
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| Methocostal wrote: | Are you saying if we had not been involved, Hitler would have stayed in Germany. I guess by extension, he would have "only" murdered German Jews? In either case, do you really think he would have stayed there? He wanted to conquer the world and he would have had not the US entered the war.
I can't speculate on your WW1 hypothesis, perhaps you are right. But, once Hitler got power, he wanted the World. One cannot reason with bullies. They only understand strength.
Chamberlain saw that to his chagrin.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | RS is a few ticks shy of being a holocaust denier (if that much). OTCP is right, they sped things up in 43, but prior to that they just worked them to death as free slave labor because they saw no end to their wickedness. There are few wars that we've fought since the Civil war that were just, but WWII was one. Even if we didn't know what we were fighting for, in the end, it was clear that it was God's will to use us to save His people. |
And you are a few clicks shy of being a liar. It is one thing to disagree with me. It is another to pretend like you don't understand my point and then debate with your misrepresentation. The point is, had Britain and France not given a war guarantee to Poland there would have been no war and Hitler would not have had access to jews outside of Germany. Am I clear?
And let's talk about "just wars". Had we not let ourselves get sucked into WW1 against Germany, there never would have been a Hitler. We had no stake in that war. Wilson was lied to when he was promised there would be no dismemberment of Germany. There perhaps has never been a nation that was betrayed in history as post WW1 Germany was. Just as we created ISIS, we created Hitler and Stalin through our insane foreign policies. So all of the victims and ISIS and Hitler have western nations to thank for their demise. |
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Hitler did not want "the world". He was not building long range bombers. He wasn't even building a navy. He abandoned his nuclear weapons program. He regarded England as a natural ally and wanted an alliance with them. He let their troops escape at Dunkirk.
What did Hitler want? He had no plans to invade western Europe. He was surrounded by allies, not puppet States. Fascism was a logical alternative to communism in central Europe. The only real expansion he did prior to Poland was to take the rump Czech State after Czechoslovakia fell apart. That country fell apart because it was a bad idea to begin with. Those ethnic groups never wanted to live together. The Slovaks were glad to be independent. Then we forced them all back together when the war was over only to have Czechoslovakia fall apart again when the boot of the USSR was off of their neck. Eventually he and his allies would have invaded the USSR, but Stalin was also planning on invading them.
He only went West after war was declared on him. He really wanted to focus on Russia. When France fell, he was much more generous to them than they had been to Germany after WW1. Unlike defeated Germany, France was not required by Germany to give up her colonies or her Navy. Had Britain signed a non-aggression pact with him after Dunkirk, he probably would have left the western Europe completely in order to put all of his resources against Stalin. Churchill admitted that the concessions he was asking of Poland were reasonable. Hitler wanted Poland as an ally. They both were fascist type governments and they had a common threat, Russia.
Some laugh at the idea of negotiating with him. Is that not what we did with the USSR for 50 years after we let them enslave half of Europe? Germany was not nearly as strong as the Soviets. The same line in the sand that was drawn for the Soviets could have been drawn for Hitler. Yes, he was a ruthless dictator, by his own people's popular demand.
But so was Stalin, against the will of his people. Stalin butchered millions more than Hitler and had already done so when we made him an ally.
So again I say, had Britain and France not given a war guarantee to Poland that they knew they were not able to keep, most of the Jews of Europe would have stayed out of Hitler's reach.
I'm discussing strategy here. But from a psychological point of view, I find it interesting to watch the brainwashing in some manifest itself without them even thinking twice about it. For just questioning a previous generation's diplomatic and war strategy, I'm labeled a "holocaust denier". Those who label me such are weak minded and can't think for themselves. Are the cries of "anti-Semite" far behind?
I'll wait for another pic of holocaust victims to posted. Then I'll ask why we didn't invade the USSR in the 20's or 30's to stop their holocaust. Or is killing Jews somehow worse than killing Ukrainians? Or can anyone think rationally and discuss something these days without politicizing it?
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So Hitler was just misunderstood? Be thankful for the prior generation so you can speak in English on your revisionist views of the Hitler. I had two uncles that gave their lives in WWII so you would have the freedom to espouse your views of the poor misunderstood benovelent Hitler. After all, Hitler did like dogs and children so I guess he was a pretty good guy after all. Those 6 million Jews that were slaughtered under his direction was done simply for their own good I guess. After all, there were subhuman and it wasn't like he murdered actual living breathing human beings.
Thank goodness we did not have today's mindset of giving up on a war if it isn't won is 3 weeks. We would have never won our freedom from England nor would we have retained our freedom in WW2 had not America's greatest generation(s) given their lives to create and preserve this United States of America and I am unabashedly proud to say it is the greatest country that has ever existed. I'm proud of my ancestors that fought in every war from the Revolution to present day. No, they were not perfect, for example, slavery should have never occurred. But, Jesus himself didn't really try to change that from a political viewpoint either. So, I guess our ancestors can be forgiven if they lacked the foresight to create a perfect America at its inception.
America has its flaws, none ever more obvious than today, but to this date, it has done more to preserve and create FREEDOM throughout the world than any nation before. We are at a precipice today to see if America will retain its greatness, but I for one, will not sit in judgement at what our forefathers did their best with the knowledge at the time to give us a heritage of freedom. Dictators such as Hitler should be encountered and defeated so that Freedom might live and men will be Free.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Methocostal wrote: | Are you saying if we had not been involved, Hitler would have stayed in Germany. I guess by extension, he would have "only" murdered German Jews? In either case, do you really think he would have stayed there? He wanted to conquer the world and he would have had not the US entered the war.
I can't speculate on your WW1 hypothesis, perhaps you are right. But, once Hitler got power, he wanted the World. One cannot reason with bullies. They only understand strength.
Chamberlain saw that to his chagrin.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | RS is a few ticks shy of being a holocaust denier (if that much). OTCP is right, they sped things up in 43, but prior to that they just worked them to death as free slave labor because they saw no end to their wickedness. There are few wars that we've fought since the Civil war that were just, but WWII was one. Even if we didn't know what we were fighting for, in the end, it was clear that it was God's will to use us to save His people. |
And you are a few clicks shy of being a liar. It is one thing to disagree with me. It is another to pretend like you don't understand my point and then debate with your misrepresentation. The point is, had Britain and France not given a war guarantee to Poland there would have been no war and Hitler would not have had access to jews outside of Germany. Am I clear?
And let's talk about "just wars". Had we not let ourselves get sucked into WW1 against Germany, there never would have been a Hitler. We had no stake in that war. Wilson was lied to when he was promised there would be no dismemberment of Germany. There perhaps has never been a nation that was betrayed in history as post WW1 Germany was. Just as we created ISIS, we created Hitler and Stalin through our insane foreign policies. So all of the victims and ISIS and Hitler have western nations to thank for their demise. |
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Hitler did not want "the world". He was not building long range bombers. He wasn't even building a navy. He abandoned his nuclear weapons program. He regarded England as a natural ally and wanted an alliance with them. He let their troops escape at Dunkirk.
What did Hitler want? He had no plans to invade western Europe. He was surrounded by allies, not puppet States. Fascism was a logical alternative to communism in central Europe. The only real expansion he did prior to Poland was to take the rump Czech State after Czechoslovakia fell apart. That country fell apart because it was a bad idea to begin with. Those ethnic groups never wanted to live together. The Slovaks were glad to be independent. Then we forced them all back together when the war was over only to have Czechoslovakia fall apart again when the boot of the USSR was off of their neck. Eventually he and his allies would have invaded the USSR, but Stalin was also planning on invading them.
He only went West after war was declared on him. He really wanted to focus on Russia. When France fell, he was much more generous to them than they had been to Germany after WW1. Unlike defeated Germany, France was not required by Germany to give up her colonies or her Navy. Had Britain signed a non-aggression pact with him after Dunkirk, he probably would have left the western Europe completely in order to put all of his resources against Stalin. Churchill admitted that the concessions he was asking of Poland were reasonable. Hitler wanted Poland as an ally. They bother were fascist type governments and they had a common threat, Russia.
Some laugh at the idea of negotiating with him. Is that not what we did with the USSR for 50 years after we let them enslave half of Europe? Germany was not nearly as strong as the Soviets. The same line in the sand that was drawn for the Soviets could have been drawn for Hitler. Yes, he was a ruthless dictator, by his own people's popular demand.
But so was Stalin, against the will of his people. Stalin butchered millions more than Hitler and had already done so when we made him an ally.
So again I say, had Britain and France not given a war guarantee to Poland that they knew they were not able to keep, most of the Jews of Europe would have stayed out of Hitler's reach.
I'm discussing strategy here. But from a psychological point of view, I find it interesting to watch the brainwashing in some manifest itself without them even thinking twice about it. For just questioning a previous generation's diplomatic and war strategy, I'm labeled a "holocaust denier". Those who label me such are weak minded and can't think for themselves. Are the cries of "anti-Semite" far behind?
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| Methocostal wrote: | So Hitler was just misunderstood? Be thankful for the prior generation so you can speak in English on your revisionist views of the Hitler. I had two uncles that gave their lives in WWII so you would have the freedom to espouse your views of the poor misunderstood benovelent Hitler. After all, Hitler did like dogs and children so I guess he was a pretty good guy after all. Those 6 million Jews that were slaughtered under his direction was done simply for their own good I guess. After all, there were subhuman and it wasn't like he murdered actual living breathing human beings.
Thank goodness we did not have today's mindset of giving up on a war if it isn't won is 3 weeks. We would have never won our freedom from England nor would we have retained our freedom in WW2 had not America's greatest generation(s) given their lives to create and preserve this United States of America and I am unabashedly proud to say it is the greatest country that has ever existed. I'm proud of my ancestors that fought in every war from the Revolution to present day. No, they were not perfect, for example, slavery should have never occurred. But, Jesus himself didn't really try to change that from a political viewpoint either. So, I guess our ancestors can be forgiven if they lacked the foresight to create a perfect America at its inception.
America has its flaws, none ever more obvious than today, but to this date, it has done more to preserve and create FREEDOM throughout the world than any nation before. We are at a precipice today to see if America will retain its greatness, but I for one, will not sit in judgement at what our forefathers did their best with the knowledge at the time to give us a heritage of freedom. Dictators such as Hitler should be encountered and defeated so that Freedom might live and men will be Free.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | Methocostal wrote: | Are you saying if we had not been involved, Hitler would have stayed in Germany. I guess by extension, he would have "only" murdered German Jews? In either case, do you really think he would have stayed there? He wanted to conquer the world and he would have had not the US entered the war.
I can't speculate on your WW1 hypothesis, perhaps you are right. But, once Hitler got power, he wanted the World. One cannot reason with bullies. They only understand strength.
Chamberlain saw that to his chagrin.
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | RS is a few ticks shy of being a holocaust denier (if that much). OTCP is right, they sped things up in 43, but prior to that they just worked them to death as free slave labor because they saw no end to their wickedness. There are few wars that we've fought since the Civil war that were just, but WWII was one. Even if we didn't know what we were fighting for, in the end, it was clear that it was God's will to use us to save His people. |
And you are a few clicks shy of being a liar. It is one thing to disagree with me. It is another to pretend like you don't understand my point and then debate with your misrepresentation. The point is, had Britain and France not given a war guarantee to Poland there would have been no war and Hitler would not have had access to jews outside of Germany. Am I clear?
And let's talk about "just wars". Had we not let ourselves get sucked into WW1 against Germany, there never would have been a Hitler. We had no stake in that war. Wilson was lied to when he was promised there would be no dismemberment of Germany. There perhaps has never been a nation that was betrayed in history as post WW1 Germany was. Just as we created ISIS, we created Hitler and Stalin through our insane foreign policies. So all of the victims and ISIS and Hitler have western nations to thank for their demise. |
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Hitler did not want "the world". He was not building long range bombers. He wasn't even building a navy. He abandoned his nuclear weapons program. He regarded England as a natural ally and wanted an alliance with them. He let their troops escape at Dunkirk.
What did Hitler want? He had no plans to invade western Europe. He was surrounded by allies, not puppet States. Fascism was a logical alternative to communism in central Europe. The only real expansion he did prior to Poland was to take the rump Czech State after Czechoslovakia fell apart. That country fell apart because it was a bad idea to begin with. Those ethnic groups never wanted to live together. The Slovaks were glad to be independent. Then we forced them all back together when the war was over only to have Czechoslovakia fall apart again when the boot of the USSR was off of their neck. Eventually he and his allies would have invaded the USSR, but Stalin was also planning on invading them.
He only went West after war was declared on him. He really wanted to focus on Russia. When France fell, he was much more generous to them than they had been to Germany after WW1. Unlike defeated Germany, France was not required by Germany to give up her colonies or her Navy. Had Britain signed a non-aggression pact with him after Dunkirk, he probably would have left the western Europe completely in order to put all of his resources against Stalin. Churchill admitted that the concessions he was asking of Poland were reasonable. Hitler wanted Poland as an ally. They bother were fascist type governments and they had a common threat, Russia.
Some laugh at the idea of negotiating with him. Is that not what we did with the USSR for 50 years after we let them enslave half of Europe? Germany was not nearly as strong as the Soviets. The same line in the sand that was drawn for the Soviets could have been drawn for Hitler. Yes, he was a ruthless dictator, by his own people's popular demand.
But so was Stalin, against the will of his people. Stalin butchered millions more than Hitler and had already done so when we made him an ally.
So again I say, had Britain and France not given a war guarantee to Poland that they knew they were not able to keep, most of the Jews of Europe would have stayed out of Hitler's reach.
I'm discussing strategy here. But from a psychological point of view, I find it interesting to watch the brainwashing in some manifest itself without them even thinking twice about it. For just questioning a previous generation's diplomatic and war strategy, I'm labeled a "holocaust denier". Those who label me such are weak minded and can't think for themselves. Are the cries of "anti-Semite" far behind?
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You are as bad as the Uncle. Who said Hitler was "misunderstood"? Who praised him or said good of him? Did you even read my post? You prove my points about brainwashing. You are attacking points or opinions that I never made.
I'm discussing strategy. I'm asking if it really was necessary for your Uncles to go fight that war? It's very simple, could Hitler have been contained as the Soviets were? We had no war in Europe with the Soviets. We kept them at bay. Why did we feel the need to hand half of Europe to a worse dictator than Hitler that had designs on the whole world? What kind of strategy is that?
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| Quote: | | We would have never won our freedom from England nor would we have retained our freedom in WW2 had not America's greatest generation(s) given their lives to create and preserve this United States of America |
What? How would we not have won our freedom from England? What does that have to do with a war 170 years into the future on another Continent? FYI..it was those revolutionary founding Fathers who won us our freedoms that admonished us to stay out of EUROPEAN WARS! Are you saying that somehow we would not have remained free without getting involved in WW2 in Europe? Seriously? If anything, we put our freedom at greater risk by putting Stalin on steroids.
I had not mentioned Japan, but here goes. So, we boot the Japs out of Asia so Moa and his ilk could dominate Asia. Great move. Why did we care about Manchuria? They were not part of China. No, I don't condone what the Japs did, but why not just draw a line in the Pacific and tell the Japs to stay out? The communists slaughtered hundreds of times more people as the Japs. Are you aware that the Japs had no quarrel with America or Britain until we forced Britain to cancel their long standing alliance with the Japs? Even Mussolini begged Britain and France to join him in taking Hitler out before he could gain strength. But no. Good ol' FDR had to force Britain to break their alliances with both the Japs and the Italians, driving them both into the arms of Hitler. Now explain to me how I in any way extoled Hitler.
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| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | |
And when did those people die that are pictured? It was not until 1943, that the Nazis knew that it was all over, that the "Final Solution" was implemented. While Jews were persecuted in Germany in the 30's, there were no mass killings. |
This is simply not true, RS. True, the Final Solution went into full swing in 1943, but there were numerous mass killings prior to that. Study ya history, son, an don't be tryin to pull one over on the ole timer. |
This is an example of exactly why we need OT on this site. Thanks OT!!!!!!! |
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| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | |
And when did those people die that are pictured? It was not until 1943, that the Nazis knew that it was all over, that the "Final Solution" was implemented. While Jews were persecuted in Germany in the 30's, there were no mass killings. |
This is simply not true, RS. True, the Final Solution went into full swing in 1943, but there were numerous mass killings prior to that. Study ya history, son, an don't be tryin to pull one over on the ole timer. |
This is an example of exactly why we need OT on this site. Thanks OT!!!!!!! |
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