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Hyperbole? If so, what was Jesus' point?

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **9/23/16 12:39 pm**

We know that hyperbole is used to make a point. For instance, if I say, "If I've said it once, I've said it a million times...," yes, I am using hyperbole, but the POINT is that I have, time after time after time, said something or the other about a particular matter.

If I say, "It scared me so badly, I like to have died," that is hyperbole (perhaps), but the POINT is that I received a serious scare.

So, that being said, IF IF IF Jesus was using hyperbole when He said "greater works than these shall ye do," then what was the POINT He was seeking to make?

It CLEARLY cannot be that that we would NOT do greater works, for that would mean He was lying--hyperbole or not--right?

But that aside, what was the POINT? I call on Quiet Wyatt and OTCP to address this, please.

Re: Hyperbole? If so, what was Jesus' point?

Acts-celerater Posts: 684 **9/23/16 1:44 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **9/23/16 2:54 pm**

Aaron,

I answered this very question when you asked it in the other thread. I believe your saying you want to know what my view is not just hyperbole, but is either a joke, a lie or both. Cool

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **9/23/16 3:16 pm**

With not one ounce a antagonistic intent, Aaron, here goes:

1. The point cannot be that an individual believer would produce greater miracles. It ain't happened in 2000 years so it ain't gonna happen now. Jesus would not have said it if it wasn't gonna happen. So it don't mean greater in intensity or type of miracle.

2. Jesus vicariously suffered and died to provide salvation. Nobody else in the history of humankind could accomplish this. So he wasn't talking bout even equivalent miracles.

3. The greater is that Jesus had to ascend to heaven for the Holy Spirit to come and impart the boldness for men and women to be his witnesses in all the earth. As we "go" an make disciples, the kingdom a God expands, expontially increasing the soteriological ministry of Jesus.

Otcp

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **9/23/16 4:13 pm**

You are correct as far as you go but surely as I said before the ministry of the Holy Spirit working thru the church , the Body of Christ -His hands extended have produced quantatively more, greater works, miracles than what Jesus produced personally. No hyperbole just the facts. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Quite Wyatt...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **9/23/16 5:04 pm**

I'm sorry that you have such a low opinion of me. But, no, I'm not lying nor joking.

If you addressed this in the way I have framed it, I don't recall it. Clearly, I remember you calling Jesus' statement hyperbole. What you didn't do, so far as I know, was explain WHY Jesus would use hyperbole when He could have simply said, for instance, "You, too, will work wonders."

Again, WHAT IS THE POINT OF JESUS USING HYPERBOLE?

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **9/23/16 5:33 pm**

I already answered it, you already pooh-poohed my answer and accused me falsely of being a cessationist for like the umpteenth time, and now you expect me to believe you are being honest and sincere in asking the question again? Sorry. You can look it up in the other thread if you really want to know.

Keith has accurately...

Golf Cart Mafia Associate Posts: 2109 **9/23/16 5:57 pm**

assessed the issue regarding "greater works."

Used in the passage in question it is not hyperbole.

It is comparative. The works the disciples so shall be greater than the works Jesus did - for the glory of the Father.

Greater in what magnitude? Greater than scope, greater than intensity, greater in effect, greater in quality, greater in quantity?

What we describe as miracles, John described as signs, and Jesus described as works, and the works He did He did because He watched His Father. He spent time with Him, knew His desires, His purposes, His intentions.

To suggest the disciples did, should do, greater works is not demeaning but fulfilling the desire of Jesus. He wants His disciples to go forth and bring glory to the Father.
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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **9/23/16 6:36 pm**

Bro, I am not trying to bait you or whatever. I SINCERELY wonder what you think the POINT of Jesus using hyperbole in the scripture would be.

I don't recall you addressing that. I'm not trying to play "gotcha" either. I simply cannot fathom WHAT THE POINT WOULD BE of Jesus using hyperbole in that verse.

Please advise. Again, I'm not trying to game you.