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IRS reportedly executing search warrant at Benny Hinn Ministries (L) |
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Somehow this doesn't surprise me. There's probably a few more that need to be on that list also. |
Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 4/26/17 5:30 pm

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c6thplayer1 wrote: | Somehow this doesn't surprise me. There's probably a few more that need to be on that list also. |
I am sick of these Preachers who bilk the gullible church world. Of course that is just my opinion!
(I might apologize if they weren't so flagrant.) I know some little guys that have went to jail, i.e. Jimmy W. and others slide and have bilked millions more than Jimmy.  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
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Maybe he's not guilty.
Or another minister wants him,outta the way...so more donations come their way. _________________ Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because its the best thing going today! |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 4/27/17 5:13 am

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Maybe the IRS hasn't been purged of the alt-left hit-men yet? Not to defend Benny Hinn. |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 4/27/17 7:41 am

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Maybe God is going to shut down another phony ministry. "Whose mouths must be stopped". _________________ "It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves UPCI |
Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 4/27/17 3:00 pm
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Just a short story about Benny
I served at an event where I was in constant contact with numerous personalities in Christian television.
I could tell you some funny stuff that happened that week involving certain big names.
For more than a week I helped & served these people whose lives are in constant threat of harm.
On the next to the last day the guest speaker was Bro. Hinn & I have to tell you it was quite different.
He walked in with a huge security detail just like most of them do.
He went to the green room for a few minutes but unlike the others he asked for his kids & his wife to be with him. (He showed gracious concern & love for his wife).
I spoke to his security detail for quite some time & learned from them that they respected the man because he would keep his word & he didn't pressure them with his religious beliefs.
Impressively 4 of his security were former NFL players (about 6' 9" 325 lbs.)
He never one time asked for anything special nor did he claim some sort of privilege for his key note position.
Out of all the speakers that week his crowd was the largest & he gave a personal invitation to the altars for prayer. He prayed for dozens of people & didn't bring them up on stage; he worked the altars & asked his wife to help him. I was there in the middle of it & witnessed all of it. The crowds were so huge that they pressed against the massive platform causing it to move & it felt unsafe. He finally had to leave because the people were crushing him while begging him to pray for them. I escorted him & his family back to the hospitality area where his security team eventually took him to his vehicle.
He was warm, gracious, friendly & thanked everyone for their service. I will tell you that during his message nobody moved & he preached a dynamic message where lives were touched.
. _________________ "Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!"
Email me at: SteenburghDean@gmail.com
Church planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 4/29/17 2:55 pm
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Dean Steenburgh wrote: | He worked the altars & asked his wife to help him. |
Was this the same service where Mrs Hinn got in a big way an commenced preachin on em Holy Ghost ememas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBRzodXxn98
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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 4/29/17 3:29 pm
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Well Dean, |
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I know this won't be well received in some quarters here and let me preface what I am going to share by first saying I have some real issues with Brother Hinn and his lifestyle but that is between him and God. That said,
I organized a Crusade in 2003 in Hyderabad India with an orphanage ministry and a number of pentecostal churches, esp but not limited to the AG. We spent more than $20000 to advertise and rent equipment and promote the Crusade. Certainly not in the Hinn or Bonnke category but a lot of money for us. THe ruling political party at the time was the BJP (a radical Hindu sect) and although the Indian constitution maintains that there shall be freedom of religion in India it is more lipservice than fact. On the first night of the Crusade we were waiting in our hotel to be taken to the Crusade Grounds (a large soccer/cricket stadium we had rented and was all set up with large stage and sound equipment). 7 Pm came and went and finally one of our local pastors came and sheepishly told us what was going on. It seems the BJP had organized a riot and had advanced towards the our stadium which by this time was filed with a crowd of 20-25000 people. The local police had intervened with riot water cannon and armored vehicles as the BJP was coming armed with swords and bombs. Needless to say, we wound up having to stay hidden for the next 4 days under security as there were death threats made upon us for converting the Hindu people. We did manage to go to a few churches to encourage the believers there but that was about it. The one good thing that resulted was finally the local churches and leaders actually got together and petitioned the local government to allow us to have the crusade and to stop the BJP. They won their case and we were allowed to go on with the crusade the next week. Unfortunately, all the advertising was wasted and only a few thousand showed up although it was a glorious time in the Lord with many miracles.
In 2005 Benny Hinn went to Bangalore India and ministered to crowds of over 2 million people each night of 3 night and then he came to Hyderabad in 2006 for a gigantic crusade there as well. The local pastors all remarked on how powerful and anointed the meetings were and how humble and wonderful Benny Hinn was. Hundreds of thousands of people were saved and the local churches grew enormously as a result.
You can dislike him if you like and mock him and criticize him but all I know is what his results have been. I suppose we paved the way for him in Hyderabad by helping the local church stand up for their rights. Some plant, some water and harvest but God gets the increase.
Mar 9:38 NIV "Teacher," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
Mar 9:39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,
Mar 9:40 for whoever is not against us is for us. |
Acts-celerater Posts: 935 4/29/17 3:35 pm

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Dean Steenburgh |
Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Dean Steenburgh wrote: | He worked the altars & asked his wife to help him. |
Was this the same service where Mrs Hinn got in a big way an commenced preachin on em Holy Ghost ememas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBRzodXxn98 |
She might have something with that comment that a lot of so called believers can use
The night she was there it seemed like she was distraught about something cause she didn't interact with us like her kids & her husband did. She didn't seem mad at him but it was like she was distracted. _________________ "Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!"
Email me at: SteenburghDean@gmail.com
Church planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
What are you focused on? |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 4/29/17 7:13 pm
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A Baptist friend of mine... |
Aaron Scott |
He was pretty much a straight-forward Baptist youth pastor (later pastor). He told me that his brother was healed at a Benny Hinn crusade. In other words, he was saying that although he might not believe like we do, he did acknowledge that God had used Bro. Hinn to minister healing.
Ain't gonna decry that. |
Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 4/29/17 7:18 pm
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Re: Well Dean, |
Dean Steenburgh |
brotherjames wrote: | I know this won't be well received in some quarters here and let me preface what I am going to share by first saying I have some real issues with Brother Hinn and his lifestyle but that is between him and God. That said,
I organized a Crusade in 2003 in Hyderabad India with an orphanage ministry and a number of pentecostal churches, esp but not limited to the AG. We spent more than $20000 to advertise and rent equipment and promote the Crusade. Certainly not in the Hinn or Bonnke category but a lot of money for us. THe ruling political party at the time was the BJP (a radical Hindu sect) and although the Indian constitution maintains that there shall be freedom of religion in India it is more lipservice than fact. On the first night of the Crusade we were waiting in our hotel to be taken to the Crusade Grounds (a large soccer/cricket stadium we had rented and was all set up with large stage and sound equipment). 7 Pm came and went and finally one of our local pastors came and sheepishly told us what was going on. It seems the BJP had organized a riot and had advanced towards the our stadium which by this time was filed with a crowd of 20-25000 people. The local police had intervened with riot water cannon and armored vehicles as the BJP was coming armed with swords and bombs. Needless to say, we wound up having to stay hidden for the next 4 days under security as there were death threats made upon us for converting the Hindu people. We did manage to go to a few churches to encourage the believers there but that was about it. The one good thing that resulted was finally the local churches and leaders actually got together and petitioned the local government to allow us to have the crusade and to stop the BJP. They won their case and we were allowed to go on with the crusade the next week. Unfortunately, all the advertising was wasted and only a few thousand showed up although it was a glorious time in the Lord with many miracles.
In 2005 Benny Hinn went to Bangalore India and ministered to crowds of over 2 million people each night of 3 night and then he came to Hyderabad in 2006 for a gigantic crusade there as well. The local pastors all remarked on how powerful and anointed the meetings were and how humble and wonderful Benny Hinn was. Hundreds of thousands of people were saved and the local churches grew enormously as a result.
You can dislike him if you like and mock him and criticize him but all I know is what his results have been. I suppose we paved the way for him in Hyderabad by helping the local church stand up for their rights. Some plant, some water and harvest but God gets the increase.
Mar 9:38 NIV "Teacher," said John, "we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
Mar 9:39 "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me,
Mar 9:40 for whoever is not against us is for us. |
No, I know what you mean ...God will always honor His word regardless of the carrier pigeon lol.
When I was pastoring in the So Cal A/G district we had our District Council in Anaheim every year. One year Bro. Hinn was conducting a crusade about 1 mile away & our attendance was showing it & several people were complaining to leadership about it. After the 1st night of the Hinn crusade somehow word got to him that his crusade was affecting our Council meeting & he asked Sup. Ray Rachels if he could address the afternoon session of the Council. He was A/G at the time & so Sup. Rachels gave him the floor. He apologized for the timing inconvenience of his crusade which had been booked more than a year in advance & he requested that the ministers would support the District Council meeting 100%. He then told us that he brought a check in the amount of $34,000.00 which was the offering for the previous night at his crusade.
I think sometimes we see things that we don't agree with & we probably have the right to question the odd behavior & weird ways certain ministers operate.
I just figure unless it is opposing my personal ministry or unless it's some kind of doctrine that opposes the gospel message we're better off leaving things alone.
Is he a lone ranger & kinda weird? Yes!
Does he affect FCC & the message we teach? No!
Should we pray for him or should we tear him down? Thats up to each of you.
. _________________ "Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!"
Email me at: SteenburghDean@gmail.com
Church planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
What are you focused on? |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 4/29/17 7:31 pm
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Re: Well Dean, |
Old Time Country Preacher |
Dean Steenburgh wrote: | Does [Hinn] affect ... the message we teach? No! |
Gotta cordially, lovinly, tenderly an affectionately disagree with ya, Dean. Hinn's message (i.e., gospel) DOES AFFECT the message I preach in that it contradicts it. His Woffie leanins, 9-god position (cf., Dake), etc., got no place in Classical Pentecostalism. |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 4/30/17 1:12 pm
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Quote: | ...cordially, lovinly, tenderly an affectionately... |
Tell me what ya had fer dinner, Ole Timer. I might need ta git a bait a tha same vittles. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 4/30/17 1:14 pm

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Just as a point of information OT |
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Hint repudiated that 9 Gods stuff many years ago. You're right about some of the other things but I stand with my previous point that the Gospel (Jesus is God ans the only way to salvation) is still being preache
The other stuff is less important to me. |
Acts-celerater Posts: 935 4/30/17 2:05 pm

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bonnie knox wrote: | Quote: | ...cordially, lovinly, tenderly an affectionately... |
Tell me what ya had fer dinner, Ole Timer. I might need ta git a bait a tha same vittles. |
Miss Bonnie, momma had the vittles a kickin today. We had in no particular order:
Fried Chicken
Mashed taters
Corn on the cobb
Butter beans
Cat head biskkits
Gravy
Sweet tea
An fer dezert, hey, momma outdone herself. She had done made a big ole sweet tater pie what I ate half of for I quit.
Now that I think of it, no wonder I was so cordial in ma response to Dean.  |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 4/30/17 3:25 pm
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I am trying to be 'objective' in my personal views of Benny Hinn and others on his scale. I will admit they are much above my pay-grade. But the folks I have known personally 'mostly in the religious world and construction industry' that were later 'proven con-men' causes me pause, when hearing the 'good to wonderful' personality traits of individuals.
One friend, a minister and pastor of a large COG in NC, was considered the salt of the earth. Member of the state board. Would give you the shirt off his back. His license were taken when it was learned he was addicted to porn and chasing prostitutes.
Another, a builder of upscale homes in the Charlotte, NC area. He was a respected COG member for most of his life. Loved and respected. Enough so that I recommended my son leave our company and work for my friend. I thought my son could learn the upscale construction business. My son never accepted the job. However when my friend died I was shocked, his life had been a scam. His whole business was built on extended credit. His family lost everything. His homes, mother's home and those of his children. The Jags and Lincoln's were repossessed.
Now if these are straw men OT, I can't help it. They are only TWO examples of men who had the personalities of saints. I am saying in the only way I know that Great personalities and 'saintly' traits, do not make a Godly person. But those traits are top in con-men!  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 4/30/17 3:37 pm

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Re: Well Dean, |
Dean Steenburgh |
Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Dean Steenburgh wrote: | Does [Hinn] affect ... the message we teach? No! |
Gotta cordially, lovinly, tenderly an affectionately disagree with ya, Dean. Hinn's message (i.e., gospel) DOES AFFECT the message I preach in that it contradicts it. His Woffie leanins, 9-god position (cf., Dake), etc., got no place in Classical Pentecostalism. |
I will say that you did respond cordially, lovinly, tenderly an affectionately & I am blessed because of it
Now I have read hundreds of your woffie comments over the years OT & never said a word or made a comment to you about your position. I have a dear friend who pastors a fairly large church (500 strong) & he graduated from Rhema & he uses woffie evangelists from time to time. He is a solid individual who preaches the word of God & he leads people to Jesus everywhere he can. I've never heard him cram the woffie message down anybody's throat & so I know there are some out there who are waffie trained but who are solid followers of Jesus.
I'm not BH defender but I haven't heard him say stuff recently that I would hold against him nor have I been appointed his judge.
He probably has some character traits that are really flawed but so do most of us.
His traits are in public view & our's are private.
Just shared a story about a personal one on one event I had with him & he seemed like a solid dude.
If he's guilty I hope they prosecute him fully but I don't want them to find border line stuff & try to make a big thing out of it.
. _________________ "Empty nest syndrome is for the birds!"
Email me at: SteenburghDean@gmail.com
Church planters are focused on just one thing ...introducing people to Jesus!
What are you focused on? |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 4/30/17 3:53 pm
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Re: Well Dean, |
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Dean Steenburgh wrote: | ...
If he's guilty I hope they prosecute him fully but I don't want them to find border line stuff & try to make a big thing out of it.
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That I agree with.
We have many a Charlton who has been protected by the Church and state thing. But I would hate for a witch hunt to end up affecting every church and denomination. This would especially hurt the independent guys if they had to begin to make Yearly reports and forms to justify their existence. Probably the denominations could handle it better since the attorneys and staff are already on retainer to handle the added paper work. But I do think it is time to do SOMETHING, but that is my humble opinion. _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
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