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 I Was Banned for Being Anti-serpent Seed - But Mocking Perry Stone is O.K.? |
Pastor Nations |
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At one time I was banned for responding too many times while refuting the serpent seed junk by one particular poster.
The reason for my ban was confirmed to me by Doyle himself.
But now it is o.k. for the board to allow posters to regularly mock Perry Stone?
Besides, the various pot-shots that are taken at him are invariably incorrect.
Perry Stone is a legitimate, anointed, Church of God minister that has rightly done more for the Kingdom than many of our fellow posters combined. |
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Pastor Nations, who has "mocked" Perry Stone?
There is a great chasm between mocking someone like Elijah did the prophets of Baal and calling for accountability when a person has for a lifetime got "some things right" and "many things incorrect," yet prefacing both with a "Thus saith the Lord" or "This is what the Lord has shown me." |
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| Quote: | | There is a great chasm between mocking someone like Elijah did the prophets of Baal and calling for accountability when a person has for a lifetime got "some things right" and "many things incorrect," yet prefacing both with a "Thus saith the Lord" or "This is what the Lord has shown me." |
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Pastor Nations |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Pastor Nations, who has "mocked" Perry Stone?
There is a great chasm between mocking someone like Elijah did the prophets of Baal and calling for accountability when a person has for a lifetime got "some things right" and "many things incorrect," yet prefacing both with a "Thus saith the Lord" or "This is what the Lord has shown me." |
I do not think he is "some things right and "many times incorrect.
And who are you accountable to when your own judgment regarding Perry Stone is "some things right" and "many times incorrect"? |
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Pastor Nations |
Exactly |
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bonnie knox |
That was ONE time that things went over the line. Yes there are jokes made about the anonymous sources (and anonymous sources OUGHT to be suspect in general unless they've proved reliable in the past).
But bringing up things Perry Stone says such as quoting someone saying Hillary Clinton has what appears to be Parkinson's or that Michelle Obama might replace her or that Obama will not leave office--those things need to be called out.
http://www.actscelerate.com/viewtopic.php?t=86088&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc
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Charles Page |
Perry Stone is not a Church of God minister!
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Pastor Nations |
Why? - And by who?
If somebody gives information to him, and in turn he feels that it is o.k. for him to repeat the information - what exactly is wrong with that?
Unless you think he is flat out lying that he was told something.
And, also, what are our grounds for "calling him out"?
Personal distaste for somebody is different than trying to hold them accountable to some vague thought process. |
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2/27/17 1:20 pm
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Pastor Nations |
| Charles Page wrote: | | Perry Stone is not a Church of God minister! |
I believe that he has been credentialed with the Church of God for a long time, if I am wrong, or that has changed, then my mistake. |
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2/27/17 1:23 pm
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Perry says some off the wall things - and he is not always correct. These are the facts.
I do not hear him say "Thus saith the lord" with most of his surmisings..so to most folks, that makes it ok.
If I told you all the preachers that said the Lord would return before the 70s - then the 80s - would come to an end - you would question them as well.
It goes with the territory when speaking about the "things to come" I guess.
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bonnie knox |
Where I'm from, there is a saying when something is apparent, that "anybody with one eye and half sense" could see it. So, anybody with one eye and half sense needs to say, "No, you should not from your platform as a minister of the gospel make suggestions that Obama is going to try something nefarious to stay in office because those kinds of suggestions just stir up trouble."
I've never thought that Perry Stone was "flat out lying" about being told something. That didn't cross my mind, actually.
But I do think if he is going to put the information out, he has to take responsibility for vetting the source.
You can't do like BuzzFeed and say, "Hey, we don't have any idea if this dossier is accurate, but we're putting it out there anyway."
And I don't have personal distaste for Perry Stone. Without exception, everybody I've heard who knows him personally speaks highly of him. But I do have a distaste for the way he likes to sensationalize stuff.
In the body of Christ, members ought to be discerning enough to correct someone who is saying off the wall stuff.
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Why? - And by who?
If somebody gives information to him, and in turn he feels that it is o.k. for him to repeat the information - what exactly is wrong with that?
Unless you think he is flat out lying that he was told something.
And, also, what are our grounds for "calling him out"?
Personal distaste for somebody is different than trying to hold them accountable to some vague thought process. |
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| Re: "somebody with one eye and half sense" |
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[quote="bonnie knox"]Where I'm from, there is a saying when something is apparent, that "anybody with one eye and half sense" could see it. So, anybody with one eye and half sense needs to say, "No, you should not from your platform as a minister of the gospel make suggestions that Obama is going to try something nefarious to stay in office because those kinds of suggestions just stir up trouble."
I've never thought that Perry Stone was "flat out lying" about being told something. That didn't cross my mind, actually.
But I do think if he is going to put the information out, he has to take responsibility for vetting the source.
You can't do like BuzzFeed and say, "Hey, we don't have any idea if this dossier is accurate, but we're putting it out there anyway."
And I don't have personal distaste for Perry Stone. Without exception, everybody I've heard who knows him personally speaks highly of him. But I do have a distaste for the way he likes to sensationalize stuff.
In the body of Christ, members ought to be discerning enough to correct someone who is saying off the wall stuff.
[quote="Pastor Nations"][quote="bonnie knox"]
But that is not where it stops here. What happens here instead of calling him out is that he gets accused of being like Nostradamus or saying he gets his inspiration from a bottle of Jim Beam. IMHO, that is way over the line of calling him out.
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Prior to fully embracing the call to preach I awoke one morning with this repeating in my head: "James 3:1; James 3:1: James 3:1..."
I immediately grabbed the Scriptures and read:
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I believed this was God's warning that I shouldn't go into the call blindly. I should expect criticism. What I say, or write, will be scrutinized both by those with good intentions to correct error, some to refute error, some just because they couldn't stand the truth.
This is why Paul's words to Timothy quickly became my model when entering the study:
| Quote: | Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15
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Briefly, I applied this passage in two ways (based on my examination of the passage)
1. Cut a straight path so others can easily follow
2. Prepare your message/lesson as if preparing a sacrifice before God. If you do this then you will be very careful because you see God as your audience and judge of what you say/write rather than man.
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bonnie knox |
| Quote: | | But that is not where it stops here. What happens here instead of calling him out is that he gets accused of being like Nostradamus or saying he gets his inspiration from a bottle of Jim Beam. IMHO, that is way over the line of calling him out. |
You brought up the Jim Beam again. That was deemed over the line and removed by the moderators. I doubt the person who posted that was actually suggesting that Perry Stone drank, but since it was promptly removed from the board, I would say that is not something to find fault about.
As far as the Nostradamus, the point there is that just being right some of the time doesn't cut it. It's not something I would have said necessarily, but I understand it.
The thing I noticed most on Acts is jokes about an anonymous source in the Knesset, and if someone attributes sensational things to anonymous sources, I think one can expect to have that joked about. |
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| Re: It goes with the territory... |
bonnie knox |
Good, positive post!
| Mark Ledbetter wrote: | Prior to fully embracing the call to preach I awoke one morning with this repeating in my head: "James 3:1; James 3:1: James 3:1..."
I immediately grabbed the Scriptures and read:
| Quote: | | "My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation." |
I believed this was God's warning that I shouldn't go into the call blindly. I should expect criticism. What I say, or write, will be scrutinized both by those with good intentions to correct error, some to refute error, some just because they couldn't stand the truth.
This is why Paul's words to Timothy quickly became my model when entering the study:
| Quote: | Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15
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Briefly, I applied this passage in two ways (based on my examination of the passage)
1. Cut a straight path so others can easily follow
2. Prepare your message/lesson as if preparing a sacrifice before God. If you do this then you will be very careful because you see God as your audience and judge of what you say/write rather than man. |
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| Re: "somebody with one eye and half sense" |
Pastor Nations |
Sorry, I kinda butchered the cut and paste in order to reply, not trying to misquote anything..
| bonnie knox wrote: | | (edited - shortened) "those things need to be called out".http://www.actscelerate.com/viewtopic.php?t=86088&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc |
| Pastor Nations wrote: | [Why? - And by who?
If somebody gives information to him, and in turn he feels that it is o.k. for him to repeat the information - what exactly is wrong with that?
Unless you think he is flat out lying that he was told something.
And, also, what are our grounds for "calling him out"?
Personal distaste for somebody is different than trying to hold them accountable to some vague thought process. |
| bonnie knox wrote: | | But I do think if he is going to put the information out, he has to take responsibility for vetting the source. |
He is not CNN or Fox News and there is a difference between vetting the source and revealing the source.
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Without exception, everybody I've heard who knows him personally speaks highly of him. |
For good reason.
| bonnie knox wrote: | And I don't have personal distaste for Perry Stone. But I do have a distaste for the way he likes to sensationalize stuff.
In the body of Christ, members ought to be discerning enough to correct someone who is saying off the wall stuff. |
Who has the grounds to correct his methods? You? |
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Was Perry Stone's dad or GRandpa a COG preacher? I remember a Stone pastoring in North Carolina many years ago. 
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bonnie knox |
You're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
If his methods are to say unwise things and attribute it to anonymous sources, yes, that's a problem.
Also, just in general a metaphorical interpretation of scripture where that is not called for leads to unnecessary speculation. |
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| Re: Pastor Nations, |
Pastor Nations |
| bonnie knox wrote: | You're making it more complicated than it needs to be.
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Not me - I don't think a critique of Perry Stone's ministry or his methods are warranted, let alone by posters here. Is he accountable to you for his methods?
| bonnie knox wrote: | | If his methods are to say unwise things and attribute it to anonymous sources, yes, that's a problem. |
You haven't been answering this question. Who decides they are unwise? You?
| bonnie knox wrote: | | Also, just in general a metaphorical interpretation of scripture where that is not called for leads to unnecessary speculation. |
I guess that you claim the right to decide when and what is called for in the ministry of Perry Stone. |
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