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Pastor's who teach the principle of the tithe

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2714 **3/5/12 11:29 am**

Jack Hayford
Robert Morris
Brady Boyd
Stovall Weems
Joel Osteen
Craig Groeschel
Andy Stanley - the blessing of being a percentage giver (tither)
Loran Livingston
Jentezen Franklin
Ed Young Sr.
Ed Young Jr.
Charles Blake
Bob Coy
Kerry Shook
Dave Stone
T.D. Jakes
Joe Champion
Creflo Dollar
Chuck Smith
Greg Surratt
Tommy Barnett
Jimmy Evans

The list could go on and on and on...... I think all of these men are pretty sound doctrinally and all teach on tithing. Surely that can't all be wrong or maybe they just haven't read Actscelerate.

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Acts Mod Posts: 25305 **3/5/12 11:33 am**

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **3/5/12 11:48 am**

I was taught that if I didn't put it in the COG provided envelope and not mark it "tithe," that it wasn't my tithe. I was in danger. Maybe that is what this discussion is really about.

You could always tell the pastor's kids in school

Acts Mod Posts: 25305 **3/5/12 11:59 am**

The teacher would ask, "What is ten percent of 562?"

The PK's would all say, "Tithes."
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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2714 **3/5/12 12:30 pm**

NM.... not sure how that posted twice

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2714 **3/5/12 12:35 pm**

Tracey said....

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/5/12 2:25 pm**

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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2714 **3/5/12 3:20 pm**

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Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/5/12 3:23 pm**

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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2714 **3/5/12 3:36 pm**

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3658 **3/5/12 3:39 pm**

Most on that list are either multimillionaires or close to it while their congregation struggle to pay their light bill yet still manage to give.

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2714 **3/5/12 3:46 pm**

The Joy Of Obedience

Acts-celerate Owner Posts: 6957 **3/5/12 4:10 pm**

So far, I haven't seen one Scripture that says tithing is only an Old Testament expectation; not one. I haven't seen any Scripture stating tithing is no longer viewed by God as obedience.

However, the Lord spoke strongly about tithing BUT it was to be done with wisdom and justice."

"This you ought to do."

However, I totally agree that the issue of tithing has been incredibly abused and discredited by tons of wrong emphasis and false promises. Sometimes it's not only what we do but how it's done.

Absolutely never should any minister over-promise; assuring people of particular things that will happen if they tithe. The Bible quotes God in saying He will "Pour out a blessing..." but does not say in particular what that blessing will be.

Ministers who pressure people and rant on people to force them to tithe, actually discredit the joy of obedience.

In many ways, tithing is the first life-style step of obedience for many new Christians.

If the only thing I ever received from tithing was the joy of knowing I was being obedient, that would be enough to continue tithing.

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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **3/5/12 4:54 pm**

Wow. These tithe threads will never end.

Ten % is indeed the rule God used in the past - and I think it is a fantastic rule of thumb for us today. Anything less than that - and I don't believe you are really trusting God with your finances. I believe a minister teaching the principle of giving is correct in referring back to the OT tithe principle. That minister should also teach that God loves a cheerful giver - and that if they can't be cheerful in giving 10% - then they should put it back in their pocket until they could be - just as when Christ said the one at the altar praying should stop praying until he has made things right with his brother.

Furthermore - if they have brothers that have "ought" against them - and if they can't give 10% cheerfully - they have some spiritual growing to do - again - if you are here on this earth and can't put at least 10% of your finances and your time into doing God's work - then what are you here for?

I have two problems with today's tithe teaching...

1) My problem is - teaching that God curses you today if you don't tithe. Don't believe that - but if you aren't giving at least that amount - I believe you have a spiritual problem (see above).

2) My problem is - teaching that the church is God's storehouse and the tithe must be given there to actually count as giving it to God. Actually I don't have a problem teaching that - IF - the church actually was the storehouse in the same way it was in the OT. Unfortunately, the churches I have attended tried to spiritualize the tithe and say it was now the storehouse for "spiritual " meat only - which only the pastor and staff dispensed - thus they are to be taken care of as the suppliers of said "spiritual meat". Of course, they keep some canned meat and crackers and bottles of water for the hungry and widows - if they ask for it - and the office is still open. That is what I have seen - that is what I have a problem with.

If the church is not going to be the storehouse for the 10% like the OT storehouse was - then it doesn't deserve to get the tithe imho.

Where does it say that you must give to the church to be tithing. I thought when you gave water to the least of these - you had given it to Jesus himself - that sounds like "giving it" to God imho. Where does it say that giving in Jesus name DOESN'T count as the tithe?

Again - 10% SHOULD BE GIVEN BY ALL. It is a principle that I believe IS taught in the OT and NT. We should be working toward giving almost 100% - and only keep the small portion we need to maintain ourselves for His service. I'm convinced that is what is taught in the NT - Jesus often taught giving up everything - homes, land, family members (if necessary) - and taking up your cross.

Last time I checked - jokers picking up crosses and carrying them somewhere - 100% of the time weren't going back to ANYTHING - it was all left behind.

Of course - this is simply my opinion - feel free to reject.
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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2714 **3/5/12 5:04 pm**

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Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **3/5/12 5:15 pm**

Conflation confusion

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5657 **3/5/12 5:56 pm**

Just a note, for clarity -- the first fruit and the tithe are not one and the same. That's a misnomer. The first fruit was one of the "offerings" of the law, and was distinct from the tithe. Simply stated ...

Tithes came at the end of the counting.
First fruits was done at the beginning.
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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5161 **3/5/12 5:56 pm**

But one thing that nobody can argue with me about is that I have been faithful to tithe my entire adult life and God has ALWAYS taken care of every need - and even opened the flood gates for me.

Here's a testimony of why I tithe. Last May I was laid off from a job. I went the summer without work before signing on as a design contractor here in town. Now, in my second contract, in 10 months I will have made about 150% of what I have ever made in any 12 month period in my life.

I'm not saying that is because I tithe, but I'm not gonna find out how that may have gone differently if I didn't.

Acts-celerater Posts: 975 **3/5/12 6:23 pm**

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Acts-celerater Posts: 975 **3/5/12 6:39 pm**