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How can a state council not be heard?

Newbie Posts: 6 **1/29/17 2:52 pm**

Word is that the Indiana State council voted and asked for one person to be their new overseer and the one they are being sent is not the one they have requested. I have been informed from men in that state that not only was there fervent prayer over this, but also a solemn assembly and all ten men testified this was the will of God for their state and the majority of the council not knowing the man they knew was the man for their state. These feelings were expressed to the EC and their feelings were obviously ignored. Not wanting to get into a debate, just curious how a state council has their voice muffled by the EC so that others can be moved. Politics at its best I guess.

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **1/29/17 5:20 pm**

I think they are heard...sometimes

Who did they get?

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **1/29/17 6:14 pm**

If it's official you can certainly tell us who's going. But I guess it will be on Faith News in the morning.

Re: Who did they get?

Newbie Posts: 6 **1/29/17 6:42 pm**

Re: Who did they get?

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **1/29/17 8:10 pm**

Newbie Posts: 6 **1/29/17 9:31 pm**

I'm not saying they don't pray. Two members of the EC came to indiana, met with the state council, and had them write in a piece of paper who they wanted and the state council was all in agreement. I know that the committee will not allow the precedent to be set for who a state wants, but the men in this council were asked who they wanted and asked to write that on a piece of paper. Why ask if you're not going to follow through with it? It's apparent that some states do have the right to say who they want and who they don't want, Alabama just did that with Overseer Brewer. So does Alabama have more of a right than Indiana? I think not.

I don't know Bro. Gosnell but have heard many good things. Was he asked to pray about this? Does he feel this is the will of Godnfir him or is he just following orders from men? If he and his wife feel the undoubted leading if the spirit to go to Indiana then they will be blessed. I pray they feel this is the will of God for their life.

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **1/29/17 11:58 pm**

I definitely do not have a dog in this fight, as is said. But I really do think a state council's opinion should be considered HEAVILY!

But no, we definitely haven't gotten there yet. Embarassed

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I agree

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **1/30/17 12:26 am**

Friendly Face Posts: 484 **1/30/17 12:41 am**

What's done is done and must be respected. We must always remember God is the ultimate position placer.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **1/30/17 8:05 am**

Respect is earned.
It's not something that can just be demanded. When people demand respect, I always want to know why it is they aren't willing to earn it.

True....

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **1/30/17 8:34 am**

Re: True....

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **1/30/17 8:43 am**

I don't have to respect this decision if I don't know why it was made in direct opposition to the state council. I don't have to disrespect it either, but I sure am not going to respect it just because someone tells "What's done is done and it must be respected...." especially from someone posting under a pen name who just may have a vested interest in us respecting the decision without question.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **1/30/17 9:17 am**

I say that state council learned how the rest of us feel at pastor appointment time - when we vote - and someone else gets the job.

Welcome to the party pals!

Remember this feeling when you get to be an overseer.
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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 7307 **1/30/17 9:29 am**

Centralized government.

Ya gotta love it! Laughing

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When I was Still in the COG...

Acts-celerater Posts: 875 **1/30/17 9:58 am**

Our overseer came to me and said "I was praying and the Lord said 'you should be the next State Youth Director at the General Assembly." I was honored, but a month later this overseer left for bigger and better things. The new overseer arrived and within 2 months, he called me and said "the Lord has spoken to my heart that you should be the next State Youth Director." I said "did you talk to the previous overseer because he told me the same exact thing." He said "No - I haven't talked to him about this at all." Since the Lord had now spoken to two overseers and I had never asked anyone for the position and had never even considered it, I thought sure this was a God-thing. I wasn't even on the youth board!

The new overseer called Cleveland and spoke to the General Youth and CE Director. He told him what had transpired and at the upcoming General Assembly was going to appoint me. He was quickly told "No. He's not in the system and we cannot make room for him." It all ended there.

When I left the COG ten years later, it wasn't over this incident, but I will never forget it. Politics came before God - plain and simple.

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **1/30/17 11:25 am**

There is always a problem when a decision must be made for convenience sake. it does happen.

I agree that maybe in an appointment like stated in this post, the local board may not be able to see the forest for the trees and an outside decision is needed. That does happen. I have been guilty of praying with a preconceived answer and assumed since I did not feel a NO, I must be right in my notion.

Since I didn't make it as a minister in the COG, I feel much better in the pew. I do hope the decision made, is the best. BUT 'ACCEPTING' some decisions just because it is the rule of the past is dangerous. Shocked

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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **1/30/17 11:31 am**

I will say this. Years ago I NEVER heard a decision of the 'Chain of Command' questioned. Our church was sorta like the Military, What ever the CO says is law and gospel.

I NEVER had a problem with my leaders. They never 'lied' to me nor mistreated me in any way, so I had no kick with the 'system'.

What I read now, and from ministers in the COG I talk to, not everyone is satisfied with things as they were.

(note: Many older preachers talk to me as if I was still in the ministry and will take me into confidence, so at times I am a sounding board. wise on their part? I do not know but I do appreciate their frankness.) Embarassed

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Friendly Face Posts: 484 **1/30/17 5:30 pm**

The fact is that we will never know what all goes into the EC making the decisions they make with the knowledge they have. I am certain that even though the state council did not get the new AB they wanted, they will work with the new AB.

I have reached out to my friends in Indiana and they have stated all they want is what God wants for Indiana. Furthermore the men in Indiana i know have stated there was a process involved in this matter, and the solemn assembly was for much more than an overseer it was all for a move of God in the state of Indiana.

Newbie Posts: 6 **1/30/17 5:36 pm**

Restorationman

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1449 **1/30/17 6:52 pm**

Been watching your posts and it seems that you are very high to the top of the totem pole. It takes something from the top for you to make a comment. You seem to always be supporting the man or men at the top. Just saying. Keep on posting.