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Changing rules mid-stream

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/26/16 9:06 pm**

Question for anti-Trump folks on here.

There is talk now that even if Trump secures the required number of delegates before the convention, that the rules will be changed at the convention to take the nomination away from Trump.

As much as some of you despise Trump, would you protest if this does happen?
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Won't happen

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/26/16 9:22 pm**

It would be the end of the Republican Party as we know it. Enough people would just stay home and not vote to automatically give the election to the Dems in protest. The problem is that the whole deal is people are sick of politics as usual - and that would be the picture of what everyone is rejecting. A new party would emerge - the anti-establishment party. The Tea Party Smile

Re: Won't happen

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/26/16 9:27 pm**

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **3/26/16 9:33 pm**

I cant stand trump but if the GOP did that I might go full bore democrat.

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/26/16 10:03 pm**

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Hey, DOC Posts: 71 **3/26/16 10:41 pm**

Trump is ridiculous. We all know what he is! He is an egotistical bully that did well in business and has had a good run in tabloid magazines and reality tv.

Does he really represent your ideas and the ideology of America?

He uses filthy language, is misogynistic, is the definition of greedy and self indulgent, is mean spirited and simply does not have the moral fiber I look for in a leader. He claims to be a Christian. I certainly don't not want to judge his faith or His personal relationship with Jesus. However, if "by their fruits we will know them", do we see any of the fruits of the Spirit operating in his life?

Love
Joy
Peace
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Faithfulness
Gentleness
Self Control

Seriously.. Follow his speeches, tweets, interviews, and rallies for the last 8 months and tell me does this man have the qualities of a leader? Would he truly represent you?

Truthfully, I wouldn't want him teaching my kids in school. Nor would I want him coaching my kids in little league. I wouldn't want him to be my boss. I don't see myself being able to follow a man like that. Would you? I don't care if he has been a successful businessman.

I can't see him as the Leader of the Free World. Can you?
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Hey, DOC Posts: 71 **3/27/16 5:25 am**

Not a Trump guy....

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/27/16 7:09 am**

I am not actively supporting anyone at this point. My man (Carson) has dropped out. Having said that - I remember at the beginning of the Republican debates that the moderators were insisting that everyone on stage make a statement committing their self to supporting whoever "won the nomination." Trump at first said something like, "I'll have to wait and see who it is" and everyone got upset because he didn't appear to be a team player and if he got out-voted he would take his toys and go home and throw the election to the Democrats.

The outcry to support who got the most votes no matter what was so great that they came back the next debate and asked again and this time Trump caved and said he would support whoever got the most votes, as did every other candidate including Cruz, Rubio and Kasich.

So my problem with the GOP is now that it appears that they (we - me included) are not going to get one of their guys in, they are willing to divide the party and through scheming and back-room agreements steal the party nomination for an "establishment" cooperating candidate. They wanted everyone to agree to "accept" who they could control and now that it looks like they are losing - they are willing to trash this election and try again in 4 years. It's all about "control by the establishment" as far as I can see.

I do not support Trump but I think Kasich is staying in only to keep Trump from getting strong enough support in the northeast (where Cruz fails miserably) to win the needed delegates to get the nomination on the first ballot. It looks like political corruption and maneuvering at its worst since every other candidate with no clear path to the 1237 has dropped out - only the one who can stop Trump and force a brokered convention stays in because they fear Trump vs. Cruz the rest of the way means Trump wins. They are choosing to "take their toys and go home" instead of allowing the people to choose between the only 2 candidates left with a clear path to the 1237.

I am not a Trump supporter but this looks to me like now since they are not getting their way - they are reneging on what they forced Trump to agree upon at the start. If Trump has the most delegates going into the convention and they renege and steal it from him then Hillary will win and the Republican establishment will try again in 4 years and the Republican party as we know it will cease to exist because millions of people will go independent.

I am not a Trump fan but this needs to go Trump vs Cruz the rest of the way and if it doesn't then whoever has the most delegates going in deserves the nomination. Fair is fair. If you make everyone pledge to support the winner then play it fair boys - whoever wins the most going in is your guy - no matter which one of the 17 it turns out to be. Even if it's the biggest narcissist on the stage.

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Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3682 **3/27/16 2:55 pm**

Despise Trump? Please, RS, don't put heart motivations like hatred into this. This is about his character. His character is far out of step with my values and yours.

However, if he gets to the magic number of 1237, yes, he should be the nominee. I won't vote for him, but he should get the nomination. If he only has a plurality, it should be contested. The establishment should not try to move the goal post, though.
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Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/27/16 2:58 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **3/27/16 4:52 pm**

spartanfan, having a plurality is not a majority, and, no, Trump does not 'deserve' to win if he does not have a majority (i.e. 50% + 1, which is 1237) of delegates going into the convention. That part is simple, and that has not changed. And, no, the pledge was about supporting the eventual nominee, not just someone who got a plurality of the delegates.
I have no doubt that Trump supporters will be upset if Trump doesn't get the nomination. I expect them to throw around the term 'stolen' and such like if Trump doesn't get the nomination (REGARDLESS of whether he has a majority).
But I think RS is asking what the reaction will be if Trump gets 1237 delegates and still does not get the nomination.

And the answer is....

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **3/27/16 5:59 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **3/27/16 6:10 pm**

Spartanfan, do you think if Trump is the nominee, the Democrats will not win?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3682 **3/27/16 6:33 pm**

Seriously, I think we are at the end of the GOP. They have shown that they care only for themselves, and have written off their base. They are mostly big-government progressives.

It does seem as if Trump's supporters are the ones wanting the rules changed. They want Trump to be the nominee with just a plurality that falls short of 1237 delegates. Just because he has more. That isn't how this works. In that case, a contested convention is going to happen, and that is when the establishment will force yet another RINO on us like Kasich, Christie, or Romney.

The GOP is dead.
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Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/27/16 6:55 pm**