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Dean Steenburgh |
| brotherjames wrote: | The book, Pigs in the Parlour is one worst examples of hogwash ever perpetrated on well-meaning godly people. I witnessed such nonsense of vomiting demons into paper bags and the whole "deliverance" ministries of the 80's etc. 99% of the time there were no demons, just flesh and the so-called deliverance ministers were Charlatans and stupid people deceived by nonsense. I saw people delivered of the "spirit of popcorn" one night. My wife who is the most right on prophetic person I know said afterwards God told her the "emperors new clothes" about what we had witnessed. Just as the emperor never had any clothes on when lied to by his tailors neither had these people any demons.
But, that doesn't mean there aren't demons in people, in our churches or in this world. I have fought against the real deal and won by His Spirit and thru His power. In fact, I have often thought if a real demon had ever truly manifested against some of that bunch they would have been like the 7 sons of sceva. They would have been beaten bloody. When you are dealing with the demonic it is best not to treat it like a joke and if you're not ready (this kind cometh not out but by prayer and fasting) you'd best not try exorcism. |
Amen!
I don't even like the term exorcism cause it sounds so Catholic haha.
One thing I do know, when a Spirit filled Christian prays & seeks God & also sacrifices the flesh to the point where you are not afraid to fast a few meals, God will grant you the power to free people from the devil.
It is when we do not seek the Lord, nor forsake our sacred time with God and/or seek not the gifts of the Spirit that we will find ourselves weak before the enemy & he knows whom he knows.
He said, 'Jesus & Paul I know ...but who are you?'
He knew them because of the damage they could inflict but if you have not sought the Holy Spirit to help you with a demoniac then I suggest you leave things alone.
One of the first times I was exposed to possession was in my early 20's in my first CoG in Fresno,CA. A lady in our church had 5 kids & she was in her early 20's. Her husband was a mad man drunk & hard core abuser of her & the kids. Back then I weighed a buck 50 & didn't know how to advise her regarding the idiot but she was desperate & very rebellious to her mom in those days.
She had a boy about 5 years old who was always acting up & one Sunday night she brought him in for special prayer ...you couldn't see a drop of joy in his little face.
Without warning he dropped to the ground & stuck his tongue out back & forth just like a snake. No longer could he talk but he writhed back & forth like a snake & hissed at us when we prayed for him.
This went on for a very long time & he never once broke stride as a young boy will usually lose interest in doing something.
His mother was in tears & didn't know what to do.
Fortunately there were some devil fighters there that night to help deliver the little guy but he still had to grow up in those horrid conditions.
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| Charles Page wrote: | | It is not an oracle of the Holy Spirit but a summary of my experiences in ministry. I've been with the pigs in the parlor and seen boxes of Kleenexes wipe up snot and not spirits!! |
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Krista, You've got a rude awaking coming.
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| Re: Last Sunday a demon manifested & during the deliverance another person experienced an assault by satan |
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Dean said, I believe that due to ancestral oaths & covenants people can be possessed. I witnessed one young lady be delivered only for the demon to say it was there the day she was born & it had been in her family for 7 generations, actually claiming that it was granted access through a blood covenant that would allow occupancy for many generations.
Dean, I'm not suggesting that you were/are lying about what happened in the deliverance service. I wasn't there, you were! For the woman's best friend to be heavily into astrology/palm reading speaks volumes. In all honesty, if I knew this about a person, I would not want them serving in a "key support role" in my church.
Your comment above in bold, I must adamantly disagree with. This sounds like some form of "Demonic Calvinism." The free will of the descendants is nullified. The great-great grandson of the person who made the oath is demonically predestined to be demonized, he has absolutely no control over the situation. Even though what I have described defies reason, it might be a little more palatable if all involved were non-believers. However, when Christ is introduced in one's life (ie, via repentance and forgiveness), and the person becomes a believer in Christ, a true follower of Christ, a genuine Bible-believing Christian, that person is changed. The old is gone, the new has come. From that moment, sin does not have dominion over them. To say the new believer is still in bondage to something their great-great grandfather did is absolutely not biblical. The blood of Christ severs the power of sin in that life. Both my maternal and paternal grandfathers were lovers of the spirits............the kind a spirits what comes in a can or bottle. OTCP is a tee-tote-ler. Have I ever drank alcohol? Yep in high school I drank a little to "fit in with the group." When I truly surrendered my life to Christ, not long after high school, I aint touched a drop since. What my grandfathers (on both sides in my case) done have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL over/in/around my life. The blood of Jesus severed, set free & sanctified me. To suggest otherwise would be saying that Satan/sin/demons/unclean spirits/etc., have more power/authority than my REDEEMER. |
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Is very interesting to me. I encountered something like this not to long ago but not to this degree. When this woman starting "manifesting"(?), we immediately started rebuking and she quit. This lady is still in our church, I do think she is still bothered by these demons(?) but I can see she is trying and growing in the Spirit.
This woman when she came to us was a royal mess. Talked about sex constantly and didn't care who was around. Talked about how her husband was always cheating on her. Would hurl accusation against her children and even me. Did not like people to lay hands on her to pray for her. Would start talking and not stop, I have to reign her in at times. She does seem to have developed a strong respect for me and will listen to me.
Her background(Dean/OTCP, this might lend to what you are debating about generational) Very strong Catholic background but throughout her family history, there has been a mix of various religions. I remember one of the first conversations we had, I noticed she had weaved several religious thoughts into her conversation so much that she didn't know what to believe. I remember learning about syncretism and it is my opinion that this has allowed these spirits to gain control over this woman. |
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5/15/17 7:51 am
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| The only issue I have is saying that Satan was there. Maybe he was but he is not omnipresent like God. There is only one Satan and the odds are, you have never come in contact with him. If you want to call it a devil or a demon, that works, but not Satan. |
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Do people actively seek to become demon possessed (similar to worshipping Satan), or does it just happen? If a person repeatedly does the same sin over and over are they at risk of possession? Or, is it similar to sinning against the Holy Ghost. That is, one would purposely have to ask God not to deal with them anymore? That is, someone can't accidentally blaspheme the Holy Ghost and never be able to be saved?
I realize I may be confusing two totally different issues of blasphemy versus possession. I do realize people can be delivered of possession.
I remember a pastor's grown son who had tried and tried to be saved and could never get saved. I've always wondered if he had blashphemed or was so guilt ridden and shamed by the devil that he convinced himself he could not get saved. I remember him being in the alter praying. It was very sad, I don't know if he ever did feel he got saved.
My brother struggled for years to get saved (and stay saved). After several years, he was finally delivered and actually ended up pastoring. But, I am convinced some old time Pentecostals put the bar so high that people felt they could never live up to those standards. Many gave up. Thankfully, my brother did not.
| brotherjames wrote: | The book, Pigs in the Parlour is one worst examples of hogwash ever perpetrated on well-meaning godly people. I witnessed such nonsense of vomiting demons into paper bags and the whole "deliverance" ministries of the 80's etc. 99% of the time there were no demons, just flesh and the so-called deliverance ministers were Charlatans and stupid people deceived by nonsense. I saw people delivered of the "spirit of popcorn" one night. My wife who is the most right on prophetic person I know said afterwards God told her the "emperors new clothes" about what we had witnessed. Just as the emperor never had any clothes on when lied to by his tailors neither had these people any demons.
But, that doesn't mean there aren't demons in people, in our churches or in this world. I have fought against the real deal and won by His Spirit and thru His power. In fact, I have often thought if a real demon had ever truly manifested against some of that bunch they would have been like the 7 sons of sceva. They would have been beaten bloody. When you are dealing with the demonic it is best not to treat it like a joke and if you're not ready (this kind cometh not out but by prayer and fasting) you'd best not try exorcism. |
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is there anyone else tired of this lame excuse. blame the older COG people who did profess holiness!!!
They had a heart for holiness backed up by a godly testimony. Yes, we'll have some exceptions.
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Dean Steenburgh, do not be disturbed by those that seem to know it all.
This is a very legit happening from all of the experiences I been in. I'm not super spiritual nor do I see a demon behind every coffee pot.
But I can assure you from being raised 'right' and not tainted by being super intelligent that you are on course.
Set your people free - regardless to those who seem to know everything.
The most important thing is that people are being set free.
Yes, key people CAN BE influenced by a demon -- ask Peter -- and he became an offense to Christ. Judas received an evil spirit at the same table with Jesus.
I really don't care whether it is in or out of a person - just get rid of it.
Too much gabbing and not enough doing.
Thankful for men like you Bro Dean.
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| Re: Last Sunday a demon manifested & during the deliverance another person experienced an assault by satan |
Dean Steenburgh |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Dean said, I believe that due to ancestral oaths & covenants people can be possessed. I witnessed one young lady be delivered only for the demon to say it was there the day she was born & it had been in her family for 7 generations, actually claiming that it was granted access through a blood covenant that would allow occupancy for many generations.
Dean, I'm not suggesting that you were/are lying about what happened in the deliverance service. I wasn't there, you were! For the woman's best friend to be heavily into astrology/palm reading speaks volumes. In all honesty, if I knew this about a person, I would not want them serving in a "key support role" in my church.
It is true that the woman's best friend is into these things but there has been a significant change in their friendship ever since she came to the Lord a few short years ago. I do not let her friend serve in our church but I have no reservation for our dear sister to serve. She loves her friend & never stops trying to win her back to the Lord & I applaud that.
And I said she wasn't a ministry leader but she is a support leader. In other words she lends support to the leadership team over her & she is very committed to her assignments.
Your comment above in bold, I must adamantly disagree with. This sounds like some form of "Demonic Calvinism." The free will of the descendants is nullified.
Sorry brother, but you cannot paint your opinion with a broad brush just because it's not happening in your neck of the woods
The great-great grandson of the person who made the oath is demonically predestined to be demonized, he has absolutely no control over the situation. Even though what I have described defies reason, it might be a little more palatable if all involved were non-believers. However, when Christ is introduced in one's life (ie, via repentance and forgiveness), and the person becomes a believer in Christ, a true follower of Christ, a genuine Bible-believing Christian, that person is changed. The old is gone, the new has come. From that moment, sin does not have dominion over them. To say the new believer is still in bondage to something their great-great grandfather did is absolutely not biblical.
Hold on evangelist, nobody ever said anything to the contrary. I too believe in the same atonement & the workings of the grace of Christ. I've been in the Asian & African outposts where few Christians ever show up & have eye witness accounts of strange stuff but nothing ever nullifies the inner workings of the Holy Ghost! I've seen people accept Christ with tears & then I've seen that same person go through what I would call a spiritual deliverance. Now in your book of theologies & teachings you may not be able to cope with my eye witness accounts but I know what I saw & I've never seen one trapped by the devil after they have been set free by the Holy Ghost. You & others may not like the part where the demoniac prays for salvation first & then gets set free but with my own eyes I have witnessed it more than once.
The blood of Christ severs the power of sin in that life. Both my maternal and paternal grandfathers were lovers of the spirits............the kind a spirits what comes in a can or bottle. OTCP is a tee-tote-ler. Have I ever drank alcohol? Yep in high school I drank a little to "fit in with the group." When I truly surrendered my life to Christ, not long after high school, I aint touched a drop since. What my grandfathers (on both sides in my case) done have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL over/in/around my life. The blood of Jesus severed, set free & sanctified me. To suggest otherwise would be saying that Satan/sin/demons/unclean spirits/etc., have more power/authority than my REDEEMER.
And you & I both know there is a ton of difference between the spirits of a bottle of corn squeezin's (spelling) & one who has been possessed by demons so your analogy lacks comparison.
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First let's put it in context, here is what led up to my response when you asked the following:
1. How does a demon/evil spirit/etc. gain instantaneous (or as you said, "suddenly") control over one in whom the Spirit of God dwells? Can a demon do this at will to a believer?
And I responded with the following:
Not at will they cannot!
I believe that due to ancestral oaths & covenants people can be possessed. I witnessed one young lady be delivered only for the demon to say it was there the day she was born & it had been in her family for 7 generations, actually claiming that it was granted access through a blood covenant that would allow occupancy for many generations.
You & I neither one have the background information nor do we have the right to doubt what happened that day when the demon claimed to be in her family for 7 generations. Another thing, all demons lie & they will do anything to keep the host possessed & they will try to convince you of the truth when it could be a lie. But whether or not you don't believe it, haven't seen it or simply doubt it, no matter what there is always a chance a demon or a legion of demons can occupy people for many years & keep in mind there are people who use their children to gain favors with the spirits. Those who practice Voodoo & witch doctors use children all the time. Unless someone who has the power of the Holy Ghost & who has been called to reach those trapped in the occult can tell them about Jesus & how to be set free, they are bound for life.
The General Sup. of the A/G in Ghana, W. Africa was a witch doctor who cast spells on people & he was very powerful in the occult community. He tells of some of the most hideous things that took place over the decades & through generational covenants that people would get involved in.
It's only those who hear the gospel & believe it that can be set free if they want to be set free.
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Dean Steenburgh |
| SCFIRE wrote: | Dean Steenburgh, do not be disturbed by those that seem to know it all.
This is a very legit happening from all of the experiences I been in. I'm not super spiritual nor do I see a demon behind every coffee pot.
But I can assure you from being raised 'right' and not tainted by being super intelligent that you are on course.
Set your people free - regardless to those who seem to know everything.
The most important thing is that people are being set free.
Yes, key people CAN BE influenced by a demon -- ask Peter -- and he became an offense to Christ. Judas received an evil spirit at the same table with Jesus.
I really don't care whether it is in or out of a person - just get rid of it.
Too much gabbing and not enough doing.
Thankful for men like you Bro Dean. |
Thank you friend, I'm not discouraged, I've seen too much of this to be discouraged - in fact I just want to see folks get set free!
There is tons of stuff I have been a witness of that would cause most Christians to not only doubt but wouldn't believe it if they seen it themselves.
This much I know, we experience a somewhat homogenized view of the spirit world & when it becomes too much for our theology we put it in the doubt file.
I used to say I think every new minister should be required to go into the dark 3rd world countries for 3 months before ever being granted a credential to preach so they could see what millions (who live there) are exposed to every day.
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| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | SCFIRE wrote: | Dean Steenburgh, do not be disturbed by those that seem to know it all.
This is a very legit happening from all of the experiences I been in. I'm not super spiritual nor do I see a demon behind every coffee pot.
But I can assure you from being raised 'right' and not tainted by being super intelligent that you are on course.
Set your people free - regardless to those who seem to know everything.
The most important thing is that people are being set free.
Yes, key people CAN BE influenced by a demon -- ask Peter -- and he became an offense to Christ. Judas received an evil spirit at the same table with Jesus.
I really don't care whether it is in or out of a person - just get rid of it.
Too much gabbing and not enough doing.
Thankful for men like you Bro Dean. |
Thank you friend, I'm not discouraged, I've seen too much of this to be discouraged - in fact I just want to see folks get set free!
There is tons of stuff I have been a witness of that would cause most Christians to not only doubt but wouldn't believe it if they seen it themselves.
This much I know, we experience a somewhat homogenized view of the spirit world & when it becomes too much for our theology we put it in the doubt file.
I used to say I think every new minister should be required to go into the dark 3rd world countries for 3 months before ever being granted a credential to preach so they could see what millions (who live there) are exposed to every day.
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Dean/SCFire, as I said previously, I have no dog in this here hunt, only the clarity of Scripture. "Sin SHALL NOT have DOMINION OVER You." |
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| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | SCFIRE wrote: | Dean Steenburgh, do not be disturbed by those that seem to know it all.
This is a very legit happening from all of the experiences I been in. I'm not super spiritual nor do I see a demon behind every coffee pot.
But I can assure you from being raised 'right' and not tainted by being super intelligent that you are on course.
Set your people free - regardless to those who seem to know everything.
The most important thing is that people are being set free.
Yes, key people CAN BE influenced by a demon -- ask Peter -- and he became an offense to Christ. Judas received an evil spirit at the same table with Jesus.
I really don't care whether it is in or out of a person - just get rid of it.
Too much gabbing and not enough doing.
Thankful for men like you Bro Dean. |
Thank you friend, I'm not discouraged, I've seen too much of this to be discouraged - in fact I just want to see folks get set free!
There is tons of stuff I have been a witness of that would cause most Christians to not only doubt but wouldn't believe it if they seen it themselves.
This much I know, we experience a somewhat homogenized view of the spirit world & when it becomes too much for our theology we put it in the doubt file.
I used to say I think every new minister should be required to go into the dark 3rd world countries for 3 months before ever being granted a credential to preach so they could see what millions (who live there) are exposed to every day.
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I have come to the conclusion that we deal with evil spirits in our church people more than we want to admit. in fact, it is my opinion that the reason most people are not set free, is because we have bought into the diagnosis of the individual given by the world.
I was convicted as a pastor that we don't have more prayer times like what Dean described to help people like this. I'm of the opinion that if we had more prayer times like this, we would encounter more instances like this. After all, Christ encountered these spirits quite often.
Thank you Dean, for posting this. I have been convicted through this to have more prayer meetings to help people with their issues like this. |
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| Re: some old time Pentecostals put the bar so high that people felt they could never live up to those standards |
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I wasn't referring to Biblical holiness, rather man made standards of what supposedly was reflective of holiness, ie, going to movies (even G rated and gospel movies), watching Tv (back in the day when all TV was G rated), playing sports, women's hair in a bun.
Those "extra biblical" standards that were often oriented more to women than men.
| Charles Page wrote: | is there anyone else tired of this lame excuse. blame the older COG people who did profess holiness!!!
They had a heart for holiness backed up by a godly testimony. Yes, we'll have some exceptions. |
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Dean Steenburgh |
| Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | | Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | SCFIRE wrote: | Dean Steenburgh, do not be disturbed by those that seem to know it all.
This is a very legit happening from all of the experiences I been in. I'm not super spiritual nor do I see a demon behind every coffee pot.
But I can assure you from being raised 'right' and not tainted by being super intelligent that you are on course.
Set your people free - regardless to those who seem to know everything.
The most important thing is that people are being set free.
Yes, key people CAN BE influenced by a demon -- ask Peter -- and he became an offense to Christ. Judas received an evil spirit at the same table with Jesus.
I really don't care whether it is in or out of a person - just get rid of it.
Too much gabbing and not enough doing.
Thankful for men like you Bro Dean. |
Thank you friend, I'm not discouraged, I've seen too much of this to be discouraged - in fact I just want to see folks get set free!
There is tons of stuff I have been a witness of that would cause most Christians to not only doubt but wouldn't believe it if they seen it themselves.
This much I know, we experience a somewhat homogenized view of the spirit world & when it becomes too much for our theology we put it in the doubt file.
I used to say I think every new minister should be required to go into the dark 3rd world countries for 3 months before ever being granted a credential to preach so they could see what millions (who live there) are exposed to every day.
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Dean/SCFire, as I said previously, I have no dog in this here hunt, only the clarity of Scripture. "Sin SHALL NOT have DOMINION OVER You." |
Actually OT, you copied something that had nothing to do with your position, lack of position or even your opinion ...no harm no foul for me cause I didn't think you were trying to make a case 
I hear your handslap verse however & I'm not talking about right vs wrong dominion here.
Going to ask you 3 questions & see if you'll answer, just from your own personal opinion ...I'm not going to make a case out of your response so this isn't a trap.
1st Question: If the devil has dominion over an individual who is possessed & that person hears the truth via God's word & they come to repentance, are they saved?
Next Question: Does a person become delivered from possession of a demon the moment they do accept Christ?
Final question: If a person who is possessed & who repents & makes Jesus their new Savior but then is delivered from demons the next day, would you then say that person was not saved unless they repent & believe again?
Actually anybody can feel free to respond to these 3 questions if you feel like it.
Not a trap to get you to respond or make anybody look foolish so don't hesitate to respond.
If you are open to some discussion would you please state so for the purpose of conversation.
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Wayne wrote:
| Quote: | I have come to the conclusion that we deal with evil spirits in our church people more than we want to admit. in fact, it is my opinion that the reason most people are not set free, is because we have bought into the diagnosis of the individual given by the world.
I was convicted as a pastor that we don't have more prayer times like what Dean described to help people like this. I'm of the opinion that if we had more prayer times like this, we would encounter more instances like this. After all, Christ encountered these spirits quite often.
Thank you Dean, for posting this. I have been convicted through this to have more prayer meetings to help people with their issues like this. |
Glad to hear this from you.
My wife is very involved with our church ministry in a variety of areas, specifically in the area of music & kids ministry.
She asked me here while back, 'do you ever notice how hostile people are nowadays? It's as though their anger levels have exceeded themselves & they can't hold back their temper nor their physical destruction"
She went on to say something about how people have deep rooted spiritual issues & we are encountering demonic activity on a wholesale level.
The only way we as church leaders can help those who are suffering & struggling with spiritual issues is to call our churches to fasting/prayer in order to gain strength during a battle with the enemy.
If a man possessed by demons disrupted your normal service would you know what to do to gain back control or would you struggle not knowing what to do next?
This happened recently to someone I know & the young pastor had no idea what to do next.
Jesus asked His followers to watch/pray while He was praying in the garden (Matt. 26) so they would not fall into temptation, spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
We live in a time full of temptations & our spirit is willing to fight against it but our flesh is a weak member.
If we let our flesh dictate the type of strength we gain in the spirit we will be weak until the Lord returns.
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Dean Steenburgh |
So this past Sunday both women were there & a few were wondering if there was going to be a repeat ...sign of total ignorance in the spirit.
For me the 1st lady showed a lot of gall even walking in the building because I think she has some real issues that include spiritual as well as mental health issues. Sat through service & seemed to participate in the songs & bowed her head in prayer. She even brought a huge crucifix & told some people she was really protected now. I didn't hear about the crucifix until Sunday afternoon ...woman is in real need.
The 2nd lady who I referred to as a support leader (someone who offers support to a ministry or department head) has been on cloud 9 all week.
She gave a testimony about how people have asked her questions about the attack that she suffered & with dignity & grace she explains that God brought her through it & she has slept great each night. She has informed her good friend who delves in the areas of tarot cards, horoscopes & palm readers that she doesn't want to hear about any of that nonsense any more & she said as soon as she told her lifelong friend these words she felt clean inside.
She attended the early morning bible class for the 1st time this past Sunday morning & was in attendance last night for our Monday night commentary class. She also has developed a new plan to memorize scripture & her zeal has been refreshing.
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5/17/17 6:44 am
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| Dean Steenburgh wrote: | | Charles Page wrote: | | I doubt the truth of this account. It is group hysteria and under the power of suggestion. Demons and Satan are real but this account is a religious superstition. |
I don't appreciate a rookie poster calling me a liar!
As far as the truth is concerned the whole thing was truth & in fact I left out certain parts that might have sounded somewhat sensational due to unbelievers as yourself.
There was no power of suggestion as you propose with your secular view.
You remind me of those who know nothing of Christ & only respond to issues like this from a social/secular point of view.
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Charles is a Baptist now and no longer COG. I believe you I have experienced it first hand and I had to heat this back during Brownsville and all the so called experts who said it could not be real and it is. Blessings.
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