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If you vote for ______, this is what it means:

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **10/11/16 7:37 am**

So very tired of all the clowns telling everyone what their vote means about them.

A vote means only what the person voting for it says it means - nothing more - nothing less.

Tired of hearing:
If a Christian votes for ______, it means they aren't a Christian.
If an evangelical votes for _____, they have lost their moral authority.

Truth is - everyone voting - knows the real reason they are voting for a particular person.

If you are African American, I am voting for ______, because of ___________... Whatever the reason they say is the reason they are voting for a person - is the actual reason they are voting for the person. Some clown outsider doesn't get to define it for them.

If an evangelical votes for __________, because of ________... Whatever the reason they say is the reason they are voting for a person - is the actual reason they are voting for the person. Some clown outsider doesn't get to define it for them.

Get it?

If I tell you I always vote for the most moral person - and write in Billy Graham - that is the reason.
If I tell you I am voting for Trump because he will do less damage to the country than Hillary - that is the reason.

Quit telling me it means something other than what I tell you it means.
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Re: If you vote for ______, this is what it means:

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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **10/12/16 5:59 am**

I agree with what you say - every vote not against Hillary is a vote for her - but my point is - most folks - in their hierarchy of reasons for why they vote for someone - have a good reason for their vote.

The church isn't embarrassing itself for who it is supporting.
They have very good reasons for why they are voting for Trump - and if it is due to Supreme Justices, church rights - or whatever - that is the reason for their support - it has nothing to do with whether the candidate has other flaws - they have deemed their candidate to have less flaws - and more positives than the other person.

If they want the smartest, most moral person, write in NBFs name. I will accept the office if elected.
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Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **10/12/16 6:05 am**

This election scares me as it relates to Christians.
Not because of the damage to America if ________ is elected but because of the terrible division I am seeing in the Christian community.

Social media is the major cause of this. But the main reason is Satan! He desires to divide us and many of us are falling "hook, line and sinker" for his bait.

My prayer is for the church in all of this. We are the body of Christ and a body cannot be divided!

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **10/12/16 6:37 am**

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **10/12/16 6:40 am**

Just my opinion - based on how I know God works: (it might be totally inaccurate)

You know, if Trump, really would have had a conversion to Christianity - and spoke about it with joy - that is what would have inoculated him against all this stuff.

I suspect - God did reach out to him through some of the Christian leaders that he met with - and he might have been almost persuaded - but not altogether persuaded.

I believe that will be the difference in this election.
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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **10/12/16 7:13 am**

I am much closer to Libertarian than I am either of the parties. I have never been a member of the Republican Party. This seems like the perfect year to actually vote that way. So, for me, it is a matter of conscience.

I would have voted for Rubio, Fiorina, Kasich, Bush or Paul. I wouldn't have voted for Cruz or Christie.

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 **10/12/16 7:58 am**

I think what NBF is getting at is not about your vote, its your public defense and tirades. I and most that don't like Trump are not telling you you can't vote for him and be a Christian (if I have then I apologize, I may question it, but I haven't even said you can't vote Democrat and go to heaven, still question it though). Its the leadership of the church making certain claims that morality can be put aside this time even though they said the opposite in the 90s with Bill Clinton, that looks bad on the church and on those leaders', and I'm sorry but I feel it WILL reflect on the rest of us, if it does not, then great, but I don't see how.

But you most certainly can freely vote for anyone you want! I don't even use the bad-math "if you vote for X you are voting for Y because only Z can beat Y" reasoning like many here try to shove on everyone else.

I have a lot of family and friends voting for Trump, that's fine, they have thought it through for themselves and this is anything but an easy choice this time. I also have many who are VERY civic minded and patriotic and their conscience and prayer has led them to decide not to vote at all! Again, their choice and not easily decided on, but yet many here will tell them what THAT means (they aren't this or that, they are this or that, they are voting for Hillary, they ARE voting for Trump, etc..) IF I vote third party, don't tell me what MY vote means either.

I'm awfully tired of hearing moralizing sermons about why I should vote for Trump. This is America, we are free to vote according to our conscience, and the candidates are free to have lived how they lived and say the things they want to say that sway voters to vote for them as individuals, its up to them.

Either way, without God's intervention, we are all in trouble.

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **10/12/16 8:05 am**

We all have different reasons for why we vote a certain way. Social media has taken what used to be mostly private matter shared maybe with a few friends and family and broadcast it. Now, people are disparaged without consequence. It is too easy to sit alone somewhere and attack a perceived "enemy" seemingly without consequence. To say terrible things about someone without looking them in the eye. I read a thread on fb last night with a bunch of CoG preacher fighting over the election. Thankfully it was a closed forum. All of them were right in their arguments, you see. They all had strong conviction and good reasons. But the division was very disturbing to me. I wont be back on fb for a while. It is too depressing!

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 **10/12/16 8:14 am**

I'm convinced to vote for Trump for these three reasons

Golf Cart Mafia Soldier Posts: 2447 **10/12/16 10:53 am**

1) I'm voting for the platform not the person
2) I'm voting for Sampson rather than Jezebel
3) I'm voting for the Vice Presidential candidate

Re: I'm convinced to vote for Trump for these three reasons

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **10/12/16 10:56 am**

Re: I'm convinced to vote for Trump for these three reasons

Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 **10/12/16 11:07 am**

Ok how about this for my reasons

Golf Cart Mafia Soldier Posts: 2447 **10/12/16 11:26 am**

This is to clarify my reasons for why I am voting for Trump.

1) pro life, pro Christian, Pro American vs pro-abortion, anti-Christian, pro globalist,

2) Flawed Leader but open to biblical world view vs Openly evil leader opposed to biblical world view

3) Mike Pence Vs Tim Kain

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **10/12/16 8:32 pm**

I have heard the platform argument. Can someone tell me what good the platform did when there was a GOP president and full control of Congress?