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Roots..

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1021 **3/28/16 2:20 pm**

The pastor of that church told me one day...We did a funeral together, that it began when a group of people split the church went a short distance away and began another church.

Life long friendships were destroyed, pain was everywhere and the root of problems started...

He of course left and the downhill spin began..

It is always that way..Some people rise up and destroy, go on their way start something else and leave untouched, while brokenness remains..

They say God told them to do what they did and he was the one that tore the church to destruction...

We see it all the time and in my view it stinks....

Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 **3/29/16 9:57 am**

Renewal is absolutely correct

Acts-celerater Posts: 935 **3/30/16 2:58 pm**

a former assoc. pastor split with Carl over some personal things and went down the street and started a new church and took nearly 2000 people with him. As a result, the church suffered in so many ways as former friends became enemies, gossip overtook reason and people went other directions rather than be involved in the mess. This was the beginning of the end. This is the story of far too much of Jesus' church. Friendships deteriorate and egos and pride get in the way of true Christian relationships and people model fleshly passion rather than Christian Grace and tolerance. In addition, instead of leaving a church quietly and going someplace else farther away the leader who feels hurt tries to split the church where he was once a trusted partner. It has been happening for a long time (the Absalom Spirit is a real thing) and it is sad.

And rather than mocking the destruction of a once great church and ministry we should be praying for all the souls that were hurt as a result of men's pride and lack of true Godly character. We also should praise God that many were saved, healed, baptized in the Spirit and generally discipled by some truly anointed servants of God. And as a warning for all of us, it is always dangerous to build a ministry on the backs of charismatic (I don't mean Spirit-filled) individuals rather than on God's Word and Presence.

Re: Renewal is absolutely correct

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **3/30/16 3:30 pm**

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **3/30/16 3:35 pm**

Question - when a guy opens another church across town - is it of God?

If the new church fails - is it of God?

If his new church grows and the other one goes out of business - is it of God?
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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **3/30/16 4:45 pm**

Of God?

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1021 **3/30/16 4:51 pm**

You can do things the correct way and you can do them the incorrect way..

Starting a church across town is fine nothing wrong with that action..

What is wrong is leaving behind a broken church...

If, God is leading a person to start another church, then they should go start it..

But leave the church that you just left alone. Go dig it out ,find some unchurched people and build it on those type of folks..

What has always amazed me is this person who loved the people he was leading then he destroys them. All the time telling God has told him to do it..

Ask them to show you in the word where what they are doing is correct...

that God destroys one church to build another..

We will wait for the passage..It will never come..

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **3/30/16 5:01 pm**

Kind of like Paul said in Phillippians about the gospel ministry, "For they all seek their own interests, not those of Jesus Christ."

Tragic and totally unnecessary, but all too often true.

Re: Of God?

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **3/30/16 5:15 pm**

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5923 **3/31/16 12:12 am**

I think they were making it...

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **3/31/16 6:05 am**

They might not have had the church full, but I never detected financial issues prior to "the junk." They had a vision, just as a church that runs 100 might build for 300 without undo financial strain. Wealthy people supported the place, and their influence as a church was incredible.

The split, which I never heard referred to as a split during the moment, weakened CHC tremendously. Strader seemed to try to stay above it all. His son's imprisonment for supposed fraud seemed way, way overdone, but it had to deeply hurt Strader.

Rodney Howard Browne then built a church not too awful far away after the infamous revival at CHC. I have wondered if Strader was such a threat to the devil that the devil went to all this trouble to break him? At the same time, I'm afraid that some things were too easily embraced, and should have been held at arms distance.

It appears that NBF and I see this very similarly...as a spiritual tragedy
of enormous proportions. Not a chance to castigate large churches, WOFFIES, or Paula White...but a tragedy.

Re: I think they were making it...

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **3/31/16 6:52 am**

Carpenters Home

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1814 **4/3/16 2:09 pm**

There were many issues causing the Carpenters Home split and those in ministry had valid reasons for leaving and starting another church. The deterioration of the church began when Karl Strader's sons began to take over the ministry, not with Karl Strader himself. One of which the Straders stood by their son who was convicted and sentenced to forty-five years for the crimes he committed mostly against the defenseless elderly in his community of Lakeland, most of who were members at Carpenters Home. Senior citizens lost their life savings. It was horrific. They sold to Without Walls, and pastor Scott Thomas pastored for a short time and he left and started his own church downtown. Then pastor Randy Coggins was at Without Walls Lakeland for a short time when they felt they could no longer minister under Paula White and her financial improprieties. The Lakeland Without Walls split again and 90% of the congregation went with Randy Coggins. Paula White sued Pastor Coggins for stealing members for his new ministry, for using church property for his personal use, and for bad-mouthing WWIC. It goes on and on .. the property went into foreclosure and sold ..

Re: Carpenters Home

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/3/16 4:23 pm**

Re: I think they were making it...

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Truman Here

Hey, DOC Posts: 64 **4/4/16 2:45 pm**

I have come to the conclusion that when a Pastor leaves a Church that he has pastored in a Domination and leaves to start another one and it is just a few miles away it is for a personal reason . After all is said and done it is for MONEY and many times it is because the pastor has a lover in mind . It rarely is for a God Called reason . Just my opinion , God Bless . T PS , now there has been some SO that have been almost impossible to work with . Now under those conditions I don't fault a minister from leaving and starting an Independent church . But before one does that he should know that he can pastor for a long time . God Bless . T

Re: Truman Here

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/4/16 5:51 pm**

Re: Truman Here

Hey, DOC Posts: 64 **4/4/16 7:03 pm**

Re: Truman Here

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/4/16 7:37 pm**

Truman Here

Hey, DOC Posts: 64 **4/5/16 7:21 am**

Ole Timer I have posted some marvelous posts and with Brilliance and no one ,not even you has even commented on my beautiful and comprehensive posts and I misspell one word and get corrected ,(SMILE ) Do you think if I would do that more often that I would get folk to comment on my few but great posts ?? God Bless . T

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