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Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **10/4/11 4:03 pm**

I wonder if this would have gone any further if the AB had said he wouldn't entertain any accusations unless there are two or three witnesses, and then only if it was sin. If its not a sin issue, he could call the pastor and share the complaint. If it is a sin issue, two witnesses could have approached him before he proceeded with anything.

If ABs regularly call pastor's councils, this thing probably would not have been a big deal.
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **10/4/11 7:16 pm**

Even if the pastor was wrong or right, he should still have been the first to be called. Otherwise the AB is stabbing him in the back. Crying or Very sad

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Re: Blew the guy up

Acts-celerater Posts: 975 **10/4/11 8:11 pm**

Acts Mod Posts: 5298 **10/4/11 8:32 pm**

IMO, and most don't care about that.

This AB should be seriously scolded by the Exec Committie, then made to go to the church council and apologize for stirring trouble from one lady who would not give her name.

If he could not produce a name then how can you know he is telling the truth.

How much training does it require to use this much wisdom.

If I were the AB, I would inform the lady that I could do nothing without a name.
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Friendly Face Posts: 213 **10/4/11 9:56 pm**

This state overseer is in violation of the minutes Pages 121-122 of the 2010 Minutes S40. Pastor section 3

If I don't get the name of the accuser...

Acts-celerater Posts: 841 **10/5/11 12:25 am**

This is where I say,..."Brother AB, in the future, please don't call me to talk about a situation in the church I pastor if you aren't going to disclose all the details. In the future if you can't call me first, don't call me at all."

Scripture says if you are offering a gift at the altar and remember your brother has an offense against you; leave your gift and go be reconciled to that brother. This pastor can't even do that because he doesn't know who the offended is. They way I see it, the AB has created a situation for the pastor where he can't even obey scripture.

I don't play that junk and we ain't gonna have that here. This is religion, impure and simple.

Friendly Face Posts: 386 **10/5/11 6:57 am**

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 **10/5/11 7:28 am**

With his actions, the AB has ruined the pastor's ministry at this church.

By listening to this lady and then calling the council (amazing) he has contributed to and participated in the sowing of discord in the church.

This is beyond a mistake iyam. A mistake would have been to listen to the lady who wouldn't give her name. That would have been bad enough.

But to bypass the pastor and call the council with information from an unnamed source is beyond a mistake in my opinion. It sounds like the AB wants someone else in the church and is taking advantage of the situation.

Flame away if you like, but I think the AB should be resign or be removed.

There is NO excuse for an AB calling Pastor's Council members without speaking to a sitting pastor first. None.

How would this AB feel if the pastor took HIS concerns to the PB, instead of dealing with him?

I totally agree...

Acts-celerater Posts: 841 **10/5/11 8:26 am**

Been There

Acts-celerater Posts: 552 **10/5/11 11:11 am**

New overseer who knew nothing about my church or me as an individual. Met with a group from my church privately for almost four months. A group with a long history in the COG who could have deceived almost anyone with their "we care about the church" demeanor. He makes a pledge to them to "get me out " and save the church. When he finally told me what he had been doing, MAD doesn't do justice to my feelings. I could have actually brought charges against him but chose not to. After it was all said and done, he saw the situation for what it was and apologized and assisted and supported me in a new direction in my ministry. He even shared with a friend of mine that some personal issues he faced later was a reaping of his horrible treatment of my situation. I don't know because those things are in God's Hands. The pain and hurt he caused me and my family was indescribable but the healing power of the Holy Spirit brought me through it and I am a better and blessed person because of it. To God be the glory.
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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1924 **10/5/11 12:05 pm**

We on Acts just love to jump into the middle of situations that we, personally, know nothing about except what is written in a post.

I'm not defending the actions that are alleged here but we are hearing nothing but one side of the situation. There are ALWAYS two sides and, generally, when you hear both sides it brings a little more balance to the picture.

Had that situation occured where I had personal knowledge of it I would be writing a letter to every EC member bringing it to their attention. I would not be posting here on ACTS for every Tom, Dick and Susie to speculate on who the parties are. If I were in a state with a new AB I could not help but wonder if it was my guy who did this. That kind of suspicion can not do anyone any good!

As I've gone back and read the comments by various posters the story is getting worse. This reminds me of the kids game of lining people up, telling the first one a story and having them tell it to the one behind and so on. When it gets to the end of the line it is usually unrecognizable.

Lee Roy Brown, write the EC members if what you are posting is true. Their attention needs to be brought to bear in this situation. If it is true I would expect them to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.

Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 **10/5/11 4:43 pm**

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **10/5/11 6:03 pm**

So have you or have you not worn Victorian dress? I mean if you're posting under your real name and that's your real picture, it sure looks like you're wearing Victorian clothes. Wink

Also, back in your day, did prickish mean easily irritated? I thought Link was getting a little prickish about your identity, but I wanted to double check the meaning, and I'm afraid that original usage has fallen out of fashion.

Just to clarify

Acts-celerater Posts: 841 **10/5/11 10:31 pm**

**My earlier comments were not made as a slam against LC using a penname...I respect that....I truly was agreeing with him that if someone (who is making allegations) cloaks themselves in anonymity, then they have disqualified themselves, IMHO.[/b]

Re: I would call it a total overreaction

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **10/6/11 2:31 pm**

Wouldn't it be great if...

Friendly Face Posts: 379 **10/7/11 7:18 pm**

Every local church had a discussion forum where they could criticize the decisions of their leadership "without naming names".

That way they could criticize and cause division without it being called "gossip".

That would be wonderful...a forum where congregants could vent about decisions which they do not agree without all of the information. That's a great way to grow a church. I bet that church would explode with growth...well, at least explode.

Now that's cutting edge...every local church needs one of those. Shocked

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Golf Cart Mafia Associate Posts: 2003 **10/10/11 1:12 pm**

In the C.O.G. system that is a perfectly acceptable way to handle it. If you agree to stay within the system and that is your choice, then you also agree to this mechanism of power that is vested within the state overseer. I suppose the point I am making is the larger issue is the very fact you are in the system is showing you agree with the system--other wise it is the choice of the pastor to kindly move on to another organization or start a new church. The C.O.G. vests all power of discretion and choice to the overseer.

Re: RE:

Acts-celerater Posts: 975 **10/10/11 1:57 pm**

Re: LC,

Acts-celerater Posts: 975 **10/10/11 2:03 pm**

church blogs..Joshua Henson

Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1449 **10/10/11 2:10 pm**

Josusha Henson's idea might work. It would be a great way for the AB to know what is going on in the local churches without having to visit. At least the AB would get to see the problem from many viewpoints instead of just one viewpoint.

Doyle, how did you start Acts-Celerate?