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Trump the harlot |
Resident Skeptic |
Cruz supporters are faced with a difficult choice. Most of them support Cruz over Trump because Trump , for varied reasons, conflicts with their Christian principles and sensibilities. I understand their concerns about Trump's crude demeanor. But please consider the following points....
This past week a group consisting of GOP establishment and left-wing elites (you read that correctly) held a closed meeting in Sea Island, Ga on how to "take out Trump". Some of the names on the list did not surprise me(I wonder if Mr. Burns from "The Simpsons" was there.). Other names on the list of attendees broke my heart.
You see friends, those in charge of that meeting are not concerned about your Christian values. In fact, they view those values as something that has held the GOP back from "growing and maturing". It is interesting to note that the GOP elite never had such a strategy meeting on how to bring down Obama. It is also important to note that the attendees of this meeting never pondered as to what THEY had done to cause the average GOP voter to reject them for outsiders. Frankly, they do not care.
Make no mistake, these NWO devils hate Cruz just as much as they do Trump and if they are successful in eliminating Trump, Cruz is next. They see both men as a threat simply because neither is a member of the "club" and will not play their games.
So I say to my Christian friends who declare "Never Trump!", you have two choices. First, you can back a brokered convention where a Romney or Dole is chosen to be the sacrificial lamb to lose to Hillary, or you can march with a very flawed General (crude as Patton was) who will stand between you and those who want to erase what's left of our Christian heritage in this nation. Rahab the harlot was chosen by God to help bring victory to Israel at Jericho. Think about that...a harlot. Don't limit God on what imperfect vessels he might use to save this nation.
This is not an endorsment of any candidate. Just a reality check.
Thank you. _________________ "It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves UPCI |
Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 3/9/16 2:28 pm
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UncleJD |
| The reality is that Rubio and Kasich are sending this to a brokered convention regardless of what Cruz does. If only 35% of the voters want Trump, they will vote for Rubio or Kasich if Cruz bowed out. The only chance of a non-brokered convention is in the hands of Rubio (and maybe Kasich). |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 3/9/16 2:37 pm

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Have not been a Cruz fan, but |
Mat |
I have not been a Cruz fan (and I don't like the pressure put on pastors to support him), but for me, a Cruz/Kasich ticket is preferable to just about any other combinations I can think of. An Hispanic and an Anglo, Texas and Ohio (two big states), conservative Constitutionist and a mid-western pragmatist, a senator and a governor. Both have compelling stories and both have been elected to office and have been vetted.
I fear that the direction of the Republican Party is headed will result in no viable opposition to Clinton and the liberal elite, which will lead to the dismantling of American democracy. We Christians, who are now in the minority, are facing our own homegrown "ISIS" under one party rule.
Mat |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1994 3/9/16 2:51 pm

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Or you can simply vote for a third party candidate.
There is no situation or circumstance that I would pull the lever for Trump.
Also, please Trump doesn't care one iota about our Christian Heritage unless it benefits him in some way. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1323 3/9/16 2:53 pm
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c6thplayer1 |
| Quote: | | It is also important to note that the attendees of this meeting never pondered as to what THEY had done to cause the average GOP voter to reject them for outsiders. Frankly, they do not care. |
Thats exactly what happens when career politicians meet. They have lost all reality with the common people. |
Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 3/9/16 5:02 pm

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| Patrick Harris wrote: | Or you can simply vote for a third party candidate.
There is no situation or circumstance that I would pull the lever for Trump.
Also, please Trump doesn't care one iota about our Christian Heritage unless it benefits him in some way. |
I think the man is genuinely concerned about political correctness, which is the main weapon being used against the Church. Trump has spoken out numerous times concerning the attack on Christianity in America.
No, Trump will not lead a revival. But under his administration, the persecution of Christians sanctioned by the executive branch will cease. _________________ "It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves UPCI |
Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 3/9/16 5:46 pm
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A flawed leader is one thing. Donald Trump as the Republican nominee would be something else. I could support a flawed Cruz. I could support a flawed Rubio. I could support a flawed Kasich. I could have supported a flawed Bush, Carson, Fiorina, Huckabee, maybe even Rand Paul.
I won't support Donald Trump for President of the United States of America. I think the fact that he is the Republican front runner, and has a legitimate chance of becoming President is one of the greatest national embarrassments of my lifetime.
Oh foolish Americans, who has bewitched you? _________________ Eddie Wiggins |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1055 3/9/16 5:52 pm
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UncleJD |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: |
I think the man is genuinely concerned about political correctness, which is the main weapon being used against the Church. Trump has spoken out numerous times concerning the attack on Christianity in America.
No, Trump will not lead a revival. But under his administration, the persecution of Christians sanctioned by the executive branch will cease. |
RS, how do you explain his statements in this interview (where he claims to a lesbian reporter, that he will advance lgbtqwz causes), and how that equates with some sort of perceived end to the PC persecution of the gay agenda vs the Church?
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_in_total_flip_flop_trump_tells_reporter_he_will_improve_lgbt_rights_reporter_is_a_lesbian |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 3/9/16 6:05 pm

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| UncleJD wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
I think the man is genuinely concerned about political correctness, which is the main weapon being used against the Church. Trump has spoken out numerous times concerning the attack on Christianity in America.
No, Trump will not lead a revival. But under his administration, the persecution of Christians sanctioned by the executive branch will cease. |
RS, how do you explain his statements in this interview (where he claims to a lesbian reporter, that he will advance lgbtqwz causes), and how that equates with some sort of perceived end to the PC persecution of the gay agenda vs the Church?
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_in_total_flip_flop_trump_tells_reporter_he_will_improve_lgbt_rights_reporter_is_a_lesbian |
Was Romney's conversion on certain social issues legit or not? How about Reagan's? _________________ "It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves UPCI |
Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 3/9/16 6:20 pm
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UncleJD |
| Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
I think the man is genuinely concerned about political correctness, which is the main weapon being used against the Church. Trump has spoken out numerous times concerning the attack on Christianity in America.
No, Trump will not lead a revival. But under his administration, the persecution of Christians sanctioned by the executive branch will cease. |
RS, how do you explain his statements in this interview (where he claims to a lesbian reporter, that he will advance lgbtqwz causes), and how that equates with some sort of perceived end to the PC persecution of the gay agenda vs the Church?
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_in_total_flip_flop_trump_tells_reporter_he_will_improve_lgbt_rights_reporter_is_a_lesbian |
Was Romney's conversion on certain social issues legit or not? How about Reagan's? | This interview was a few days ago, during the campaign! LOL |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 3/9/16 6:37 pm

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c6thplayer1 |
| Trump’s positions often vary depending on who he’s talking to. |
Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 3/9/16 9:36 pm

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Resident Skeptic |
| UncleJD wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: | | UncleJD wrote: | | Resident Skeptic wrote: |
I think the man is genuinely concerned about political correctness, which is the main weapon being used against the Church. Trump has spoken out numerous times concerning the attack on Christianity in America.
No, Trump will not lead a revival. But under his administration, the persecution of Christians sanctioned by the executive branch will cease. |
RS, how do you explain his statements in this interview (where he claims to a lesbian reporter, that he will advance lgbtqwz causes), and how that equates with some sort of perceived end to the PC persecution of the gay agenda vs the Church?
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/watch_in_total_flip_flop_trump_tells_reporter_he_will_improve_lgbt_rights_reporter_is_a_lesbian |
Was Romney's conversion on certain social issues legit or not? How about Reagan's? | This interview was a few days ago, during the campaign! LOL |
There is not necessarily a flip flop. He can be for the overturn of the Obergefell ruling on Constitutional grounds while at the same time wanting to make sure gays have civil rights. Obviously he does not think marriage is truly a "civil right" when it comes to gays. He basically brushed her off saying being gay "was her thing". He was not endorsing gay marriage. But then again, it seems Trump haters over analyze every little thing he says. _________________ "It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves UPCI |
Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 3/9/16 9:43 pm
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Re: Have not been a Cruz fan, but |
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| Mat wrote: | | I have not been a Cruz fan (and I don't like the pressure put on pastors to support him), but for me, a Cruz/Kasich ticket is preferable to just about any other combinations I can think of. An Hispanic and an Anglo, Texas and Ohio (two big states), conservative Constitutionist and a mid-western pragmatist, a senator and a governor. Both have compelling stories and both have been elected to office and have been vetted. |
That looks pretty good to me. Trump seems to be the biggest 'love him or hate him' type candidate. He's polarizing. But Cruz is a bit polarizing to. On the other hand, so is Clinton.
Kasich doesn't seem to be polarizing. Few people get that excited about him, but I think Democrats, Republicans, and swing voters will thing, 'Oh, he's all right, I guess." It may be hard to get the nomination with that characteristic. But it could help with the general election, especially if Hillary chooses someone polarizing.
I haven't noticed Kasich doing much attacking of other candidates. I recall one dig, and comments about the childish behavior on stage. That doesn't prevent one from nominating a VP, necessarily. Reagan picked Bush in spite of the 'voodoo economics' comment. _________________ Link |
Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 3/10/16 9:35 am
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| skinnybishop wrote: | A flawed leader is one thing. Donald Trump as the Republican nominee would be something else. I could support a flawed Cruz. I could support a flawed Rubio. I could support a flawed Kasich. I could have supported a flawed Bush, Carson, Fiorina, Huckabee, maybe even Rand Paul.
I won't support Donald Trump for President of the United States of America. I think the fact that he is the Republican front runner, and has a legitimate chance of becoming President is one of the greatest national embarrassments of my lifetime.
Oh foolish Americans, who has bewitched you? |
The problem is, how many Republicans think just like that?
And when you get to the general election, how many liberals and swing voters are actually going to support Donald Trump for president? _________________ Link |
Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 3/10/16 9:37 am
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John Jett |
| I too think a Cruz/Kasich ticket would be a big winner. As things are playing out with the establishment seeking a brokered election so they can run whoever they want to out there and thwart the will of the people as if we were the Democratic party, I'm having a hard time maintaining my "NeverTrump" stance. I'd rather have a bad candidate that was voted for by the people than an establishment drone. On the other hand, if Trump doesn't reach the 1237 number, then he really isn't the choice of the people, not having a majority. If he doesn't reach the majority, then the party has spoken that they really do not want Donald Trump haven't they? At that point I'd hope that the party would agree to let the delegates vote on the top 4 candidates (or less) until they have a majority picked from those. Any new candidate or low-tier candidate such as Bush would probably split the party. |
Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4955 3/10/16 9:42 am

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Cojak |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | Quote: | | It is also important to note that the attendees of this meeting never pondered as to what THEY had done to cause the average GOP voter to reject them for outsiders. Frankly, they do not care. |
Thats exactly what happens when career politicians meet. They have lost all reality with the common people. |  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 3/10/16 3:04 pm

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Cojak |
| skinnybishop wrote: |
I won't support Donald Trump for President of the United States of America. I think the fact that he is the Republican front runner, and has a legitimate chance of becoming President is one of the greatest national embarrassments of my lifetime.
Oh foolish Americans, who has bewitched you? |
As far as I am concerned, when we elected Barrack Hussein Obama, In my opinion tops that, and that has already happened.TWO TIMES!  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 3/10/16 3:10 pm

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bonnie knox |
| Yep, I tried to hint that to NBF when he suggested Florida wouldn't be fooled twice. They went for Obama twice. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 3/10/16 3:38 pm

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