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"Let's All Stand for the Reading of God's Word" |
Da Sheik |
Let me say this before I get in too deep. I always stand for the national anthem, pledge of allegiance, etc., and I generally think there is a lack of respect for all things dignified. (disclaimer over)
My family and I recently attended a special service at another church. The speaker that evening asked everyone to stand while he read his text. Then he went on a tirade about preachers not asking their congregations to stand for the reading of their text. He further went on to talk about recent NFL flag/anthem boycotts and wasted a lot of time on that.
I don't mind being asked to stand at all. I don't mind or resent showing any kind of honor towards God. But there were a lot of people at the service that don't attend that church normally because it was a special gathering. He sounded downright angry about the issue. I guess my thoughts on the subject are this: If we should always stand while the bible is read, shouldn't we stand for the whole sermon? (assuming the minister is preaching from the Bible of course).
Now, i will sit down and let you guys have the floor  |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1865 10/12/16 1:18 pm

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Re: "Let's All Stand for the Reading of God's Word" |
UncleJD |
Da Sheik wrote: | Let me say this before I get in too deep. I always stand for the national anthem, pledge of allegiance, etc., and I generally think there is a lack of respect for all things dignified. (disclaimer over)
My family and I recently attended a special service at another church. The speaker that evening asked everyone to stand while he read his text. Then he went on a tirade about preachers not asking their congregations to stand for the reading of their text. He further went on to talk about recent NFL flag/anthem boycotts and wasted a lot of time on that.
I don't mind being asked to stand at all. I don't mind or resent showing any kind of honor towards God. But there were a lot of people at the service that don't attend that church normally because it was a special gathering. He sounded downright angry about the issue. I guess my thoughts on the subject are this: If we should always stand while the bible is read, shouldn't we stand for the whole sermon? (assuming the minister is preaching from the Bible of course).
Now, i will sit down and let you guys have the floor  |
Isn't this a high-church relic? |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3147 10/12/16 1:39 pm

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Patrick Harris |
They do that at the church (UPC) I visit.
On cue- as soon as the pastor starts to open his bible the all stand.
Don't even have to ask. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1323 10/12/16 1:44 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
Patrick Harris wrote: | the church (UPC) I visit. |
UPC? As in Jesus Only? |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 10/12/16 2:05 pm
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Patrick Harris |
Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Patrick Harris wrote: | the church (UPC) I visit. |
UPC? As in Jesus Only? |
Yep. I like it, my more importantly my wife loves the people.
I love the people and the fact they spend time together as a church family.
Not even close to most of the churches in my area that are essentially Pentecostal-lite |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1323 10/12/16 2:06 pm
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Old Time Country Preacher |
Patrick Harris wrote: | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Patrick Harris wrote: | the church (UPC) I visit. |
UPC? As in Jesus Only? |
Yep. I like it, my more importantly my wife loves the people.
I love the people and the fact they spend time together as a church family.
Not even close to most of the churches in my area that are essentially Pentecostal-lite |
Fellowship and subjective feelings override doctrine? |
Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 10/12/16 2:13 pm
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Quiet Wyatt |
Our church has a neat tradition in which one chapter from the Bible is read aloud in every service. I ask folks to stand, if they are able, out of honor/respect for the reading of God's word. While I have been disappointed a time or two when an odd child or teenager didn't stand, I would not yell at somebody for not standing. It's between them and God if they don't feel the need to stand. |
[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 10/12/16 2:14 pm
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Patrick Harris |
Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Patrick Harris wrote: | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Patrick Harris wrote: | the church (UPC) I visit. |
UPC? As in Jesus Only? |
Yep. I like it, my more importantly my wife loves the people.
I love the people and the fact they spend time together as a church family.
Not even close to most of the churches in my area that are essentially Pentecostal-lite |
Fellowship and subjective feelings override doctrine? |
The pastor and I have had several meetings and he has said he will never question my faith or salvation based on their doctrine.
They treat us no different. In fact in all out time there you would never ever know it was oneness if you weren't that familiar with the UPC.
People still linger in the altars and anoint and pray for the sick.
People still receive the Holy Ghost. Words of knowledge are still being heard.
It's a lot like I remember the COG being in the 70s and 80s when I first started attending one.
Oh and here's a shocker for you. I don't consider their doctrine or the doctrine of a Trinity a none negotiable |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1323 10/12/16 2:22 pm
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Da Sheik |
I hate to interrupt the UPC debate, but to get us back on point....
For the record, I have absolutely no problem with any minister/church who adopts this practice. I just thought it odd that he held such a strong conviction that he was willing to condemn those who don't do it. His comments were aimed at ministers- not the congregants themselves..
As to my own personal situation: I rarely ask the congregation to stand while I read my text. We do however, often use liturgy and responsive readings and I do ask the congregation to stand for that. But I never get angry if they don't- maybe someone has knee problems or just doesn't feel well at all that day. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1865 10/12/16 2:42 pm

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diakoneo |
I try to remember to say, "stand if you are able..." |
Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 10/12/16 4:01 pm
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Resident Skeptic |
I witnessed a prominent UPC pastor tell his congregation to sit down as they were all standing on-cue as he prepared to read his text. he noted, "Do you stand to read your Bible at home?" _________________ "It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves UPCI |
Acts-dicted Posts: 8065 10/12/16 7:53 pm
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I don't question your faith nor those in the church.... |
caseyleejones |
Patrick Harris wrote: | Old Time Country Preacher wrote: | Patrick Harris wrote: | the church (UPC) I visit. |
UPC? As in Jesus Only? |
Yep. I like it, my more importantly my wife loves the people.
I love the people and the fact they spend time together as a church family.
Not even close to most of the churches in my area that are essentially Pentecostal-lite |
those are not issues of salvation. However, taking one of the views while disparaging your brother that holds the opposite view I believe grieves God more. Good job in building relationships. |
Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11798 10/12/16 8:39 pm

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Cojak |
I have no problem with being asked to stand, but don't we sorta disparage form and (I have trouble with words as I age). I don't feel more worthy by standing. But you do bring up a point that many men of the cloth forget, not everyone in the congregation (especially on special days) are familiar with church procedures and to alienate someone over a personal 'policy' (for lack of finding the right word again)
Nothing we do (works) make us more 'saved'.
I think you brought up a good point and there is a lot here to discuss. I hope we can read more comment and thoughts.
I know some folk who visited our COG and had never seen or heard of a 'Victory March'. They were the only ones who remained seated and 'confused'. The pastor did not need to point it out, but he did with a "Somebody here needs to get right with God and find Victory!" OUCH  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 10/12/16 8:55 pm

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Cojak |
Da Sheik wrote: | I hate to interrupt the UPC debate, but to get us back on point....
For the record, I have absolutely no problem with any minister/church who adopts this practice. I just thought it odd that he held such a strong conviction that he was willing to condemn those who don't do it. His comments were aimed at ministers- not the congregants themselves..
As to my own personal situation: I rarely ask the congregation to stand while I read my text. We do however, often use liturgy and responsive readings and I do ask the congregation to stand for that. But I never get angry if they don't- maybe someone has knee problems or just doesn't feel well at all that day. |
 _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
http://shipslog-jack.blogspot.com/ |
01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 10/12/16 8:57 pm

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I think it is fine to stand to read the Bible, but there is no reason to think God requires it. In fact, we know we are allowed to sit and hear and teach the word.
Deuteronomy 11:19
You shall teach them to your children, talking of them when you are sitting in your house, and when you are walking by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise.
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Acts-perienced Poster Posts: 11849 10/13/16 2:30 am
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bradfreeman |
Do you stand and read your Bible at home?
Do you stand when someone on the radio or TV reads the Bible?
Do you stand when the National Anthem is playing on the TV?
Just another silly religious relic for us scream-bloody-murder about just before we jettison it.
Bye, bye clothing (you have to wear a tie or a dress), jewelry and make-up silliness.
Bye, bye liturgical standing and sitting.
BTW: If you have a Bible-app on your phone, are you dissing your Bible when its in your back pocket. _________________ I'm not saved because I'm good. I'm saved because He's good!
My website: www.bradfreeman.com
My blog: http://bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/ |
Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 10/13/16 12:31 pm

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DrDuck |
I think it may come from here:
Nehemiah 8:5
5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people, for he was above all the people, and as he opened it all the people stood.
It is the only clear Bible I can think of which could the source of this request. |
Acts-celerater Posts: 755 10/13/16 1:44 pm

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Cojak |
bradfreeman wrote: | Do you stand and read your Bible at home?
Do you stand when someone on the radio or TV reads the Bible?
Do you stand when the National Anthem is playing on the TV?
Just another silly religious relic for us scream-bloody-murder about just before we jettison it.
Bye, bye clothing (you have to wear a tie or a dress), jewelry and make-up silliness.
Bye, bye liturgical standing and sitting.
BTW: If you have a Bible-app on your phone, are you dissing your Bible when its in your back pocket. |
A little more in depth than I would go, but over all it is a  _________________ Some facts but mostly just my opinion!
jacsher@aol.com
http://shipslog-jack.blogspot.com/ |
01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 10/13/16 9:25 pm

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this is the verse my mind went to |
wayne |
DrDuck wrote: | I think it may come from here:
Nehemiah 8:5
5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people, for he was above all the people, and as he opened it all the people stood.
It is the only clear Bible I can think of which could the source of this request. |
The church I pastor, stands for the reading of the Word. It's something I was taught to do as a child. My father in law/pastor did it and I adopted it into my style.
I think in a world that is becoming more and more disrespectful, I believe we should be teaching our kids to stand for the reading of the Word, the pledge or Allegiance, the President walks in a room, etc. My Father in law would from time to time say that there is a someone greater(than the president, etc.) in the room, let's stand and give Him an applause.
If I am ever in another church and that congregation does not stand, I do. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1274 10/14/16 8:01 am
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Ernie Long |
wayne wrote: | DrDuck wrote: | I think it may come from here:
Nehemiah 8:5
5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people, for he was above all the people, and as he opened it all the people stood.
It is the only clear Bible I can think of which could the source of this request. |
The church I pastor, stands for the reading of the Word. It's something I was taught to do as a child. My father in law/pastor did it and I adopted it into my style.
I think in a world that is becoming more and more disrespectful, I believe we should be teaching our kids to stand for the reading of the Word, the pledge or Allegiance, the President walks in a room, etc. My Father in law would from time to time say that there is a someone greater(than the president, etc.) in the room, let's stand and give Him an applause.
If I am ever in another church and that congregation does not stand, I do. |
I agree with you Wayne. I have our church stand for the reading of God's word. To me it shows respect for the Word and as a sign of worship also. |
Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1050 10/14/16 9:01 am
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