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 Donald Trump wants Apple to provide government a back-door |
UncleJD |
| Do you agree? Should Apple provide the government a back-door into your encrypted phone? |
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2/18/16 11:35 am
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c6thplayer1 |
| No , not a back door for the government , but apple should release the data from that slugs phone. when he committed that crime he lost all of his privacy privileges. |
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2/18/16 12:34 pm
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UncleJD |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | No , not a back door for the government , but apple should release the data from that slugs phone. when he committed that crime he lost all of his privacy privileges. |
Yes it is a back door that they want. They don't have the data, its encrypted on the phone, they have helped with everything they could, that's not enough for the FBI, they want a backdoor decryption to use ongoing, that's not just this phone but all i-phones
http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/ |
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2/18/16 12:39 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| c6thplayer1 wrote: | | No , not a back door for the government , but apple should release the data from that slugs phone. when he committed that crime he lost all of his privacy privileges. |
By design, it is completely and totally impossible for Apple to access that data. They literally cannot comply, by design. Finding the right balance between liberty and security is always hard, but I appreciate that Apple is erring on the side of liberty. |
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2/18/16 12:57 pm
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UncleJD |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | c6thplayer1 wrote: | | No , not a back door for the government , but apple should release the data from that slugs phone. when he committed that crime he lost all of his privacy privileges. |
By design, it is completely and totally impossible for Apple to access that data. They literally cannot comply, by design. Finding the right balance between liberty and security is always hard, but I appreciate that Apple is erring on the side of liberty. |
The government is demanding Apple build in a secure-key type back-door into their upcoming IOS. If that happens, China will have it in about the time it takes to figure out where to send the hookers and cash. |
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2/18/16 12:58 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| You got it. The government has no place to demand that and no candidate that values liberty would promote them doing so. |
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Nature Boy Florida |
| Dave Dorsey wrote: | | c6thplayer1 wrote: | | No , not a back door for the government , but apple should release the data from that slugs phone. when he committed that crime he lost all of his privacy privileges. |
By design, it is completely and totally impossible for Apple to access that data. They literally cannot comply, by design. Finding the right balance between liberty and security is always hard, but I appreciate that Apple is erring on the side of liberty. |
That isn't true.
Any person who programmed that thing could tell you the steps to piece together to get into. No one has all the info - but a collaboration of folks would.
Encryption doesn't magically happen. Someone designs it - others program it. It could be done by Apple easily.
A court order for this one individuals information should suffice. I agree - govt doesn't need the "back door" for all users.
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2/18/16 1:42 pm
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UncleJD |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | Dave Dorsey wrote: | | c6thplayer1 wrote: | | No , not a back door for the government , but apple should release the data from that slugs phone. when he committed that crime he lost all of his privacy privileges. |
By design, it is completely and totally impossible for Apple to access that data. They literally cannot comply, by design. Finding the right balance between liberty and security is always hard, but I appreciate that Apple is erring on the side of liberty. |
That isn't true.
Any person who programmed that thing could tell you the steps to piece together to get into. No one has all the info - but a collaboration of folks would.
Encryption doesn't magically happen. Someone designs it - others program it. It could be done by Apple easily.
A court order for this one individuals information should suffice. I agree - govt doesn't need the "back door" for all users. |
John Mcafee has offered to do it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-ill-decrypt-san-bernardino-phone-for-free-2016-2 |
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2/18/16 1:47 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | That isn't true.
Any person who programmed that thing could tell you the steps to piece together to get into. No one has all the info - but a collaboration of folks would.
Encryption doesn't magically happen. Someone designs it - others program it. It could be done by Apple easily.
A court order for this one individuals information should suffice. I agree - govt doesn't need the "back door" for all users. |
Maybe you should share your knowledge of how easily public/private encryption is compromised with the FBI. They seem to be under the impression that the systems Apple and Google have developed cannot be broken by the vendors, even with a valid warrant.
Maybe NBF should let them know that's not true so this simple misunderstanding can get cleared up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/2014/09/25/68c4e08e-4344-11e4-9a15-137aa0153527_story.html |
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2/18/16 5:53 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
Via social engineering -- i.e. tricking people into giving the code he would need to him. This is the only way it could succeed. Even if Apple disabled the feature that locks the phone when an invalid code is entered and allowed them to be entered by a computer that could try every option, the math is so complex that it would still take years to open the device: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/17/how-long-it-takes-to-crack-an-iphone/
Apple doesn't know what your code is and can't find out. The only way around this is to simplify the math in the verification process. That is what makes it impossible (in practice) to break it, even with a valid warrant. It's just not an option.
Also, John McAfee kinda went crazy a while back and is now widely regarded as a crank in the tech world. |
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2/18/16 6:00 pm
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Dave Dorsey |
And in terms of the encryption itself, it uses public/private key encryption mathematically locked by the code. It would take a supercomputer millions to trillions of years to break it. There is no secret programmer trick for unlocking it. That's not how the math works.
If you want to understand it in a simple way, it is like the one-time pads used in WW2 except millions of times more mathematically complicated.
They are called "one-way" for a reason. |
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2/18/16 6:36 pm
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c6thplayer1 |
| Nature Boy Florida wrote: | | Dave Dorsey wrote: | | c6thplayer1 wrote: | | No , not a back door for the government , but apple should release the data from that slugs phone. when he committed that crime he lost all of his privacy privileges. |
By design, it is completely and totally impossible for Apple to access that data. They literally cannot comply, by design. Finding the right balance between liberty and security is always hard, but I appreciate that Apple is erring on the side of liberty. |
That isn't true.
Any person who programmed that thing could tell you the steps to piece together to get into. No one has all the info - but a collaboration of folks would.
Encryption doesn't magically happen. Someone designs it - others program it. It could be done by Apple easily.
A court order for this one individuals information should suffice. I agree - govt doesn't need the "back door" for all users. |
Not necessarily NB. An example of de-codeable encryption would be
Data times a known formula
One that is near if not impossible to decode ;
Data times a random selection of 1 of 9 formulas times ,
Encrypted Data times a random selection of 1 of 8 formulas times ,
Encrypted Data times a random selection of 1 of 7 formulas ETC. until all
9 formulas have been used.
One single encryption has an unbelievable formula , imagine 9 of them accessed at random until they have all been used.
I know they want a back door. Im against it. But if possible they should turn over the data from the demon possessed muslims phone. |
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2/18/16 10:13 pm
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