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Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2857 **4/9/14 5:16 pm**

Great post, Mark. You hit it out of the park.

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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **4/9/14 9:30 pm**

You said Jesus won't always heal.

Where in the WORLD did you get that from in the scriptures??? He healed every single person that came to Him!

The truth is that because OUR prayers do not always bring healing, instead of owning that perhaps our faith (or the person's faith) isn't what it needs to be, we say that God didn't want to heal them.

I certainly don't get nearly all my healing prayers answered. That doesn't mean it's God's will to not heal.

The record of scripture is that Jesus healed all that came to Him. ALL.

If you're looking for some way out of that, then instead of looking for verse that clearly states what the scriptures already show us by observation, look for a verse that says that God is NOT willing to heal all that come to Him.

Even if you could find an example, we'd not be NEARLY at the rate that Jesus and the Apostles were at.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/9/14 10:23 pm**

Aaron, I did not say Jesus won't always heal, I said Jesus don't always heal. Physical healing is always dispensed per the sovereign will of God based on what he is desiring to accomplish within a given context.

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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6042 **4/10/14 4:34 am**

If Jesus does not always heal those who reach Him, then it is equally true that He WILL NOT heal all those who reach Him.

Acts-dicted Posts: 9027 **4/10/14 7:03 am**

Is it always God's will to heal?

God's expressed will is for His kingdom to come and His will to be done on earth as it is in Heaven - otherwise Jesus taught His disciples to pray against God's will. He did not teach His disciples to pray against God's will.

There is no sickness or disease in Heaven. God wants earth to be that way.
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/10/14 8:00 am**

And earth won't be that way until the kingdom comes in its perfection and fullness, when that which is Perfect shall come. Until then, the curse of sin, death, sorrow, and pain still will exist. See Rev. 21.

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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/10/14 8:54 am**

I agree the kingdom is now, though it has not come in its fullness, completion and perfection yet.

Rev. 22:1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him; 4they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.

Until then, when this corruption puts on incorruption, this mortality puts on immortality, this natural world (including our mortal, corruptible bodies), remains under a curse,

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Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3954 **4/10/14 9:19 am**

Y'all ask the wrong questions and argue the wrong angles!!!

First, land on the fact that in God's original intent life and health and wholeness were absolute.

Second, land on the fact that sin's entrance into the world has wreaked all manner of havoc & hell among humanity.

Third, land on the fact that God wants us to be redeemers, healers and restorers.

Finally, go out and preach the gospel to those who are in lack and have loss in their lives. Restore sight to the blind. Heal diseases. Set free. Proclaim Favor!!

To argue about this is petty at best, and rebellious at worse. Just get on the life side and pray, preach, prophesy, and let life happen.
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/10/14 9:36 am**

What is petty is when someone tries to shut down legitimate discussion by saying it's petty or rebellious to discuss doctrine.

Here is the answer, Scripture

Acts Mod Posts: 3346 **4/10/14 9:37 am**

Acts 10:38 "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good, and healing all who were oppressed by the devil; for God was with Him. NASB

Friends I have preached on healing for 5 weeks. Sunday we will have a healing service. I would hate to tell anyone, sorry it is not Gods will to heal some of you. I/we will pray for everyone who comes for healing and will encourage them that it is God's will to heal you.
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[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **4/10/14 9:54 am**

Larry, what about those who aren't healed? Do you just blame them for not having enough faith, like WoFers typically do?

I would hate to tell someone it was definitely unconditionally God's will to heal them when it wasn't. I sure don't want to lie. God hates all liars.

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Posts: 2857 **4/10/14 10:26 am**

The fact remains, Jlarry, that some will likely be healed and many will not. Be prepared to encourage the ones who are disappointed because they used all the faith they had and did not receive healing. The most Godly Christian I have ever known was a dear lady who was in a wheel chair for many years before she passed away. She was prayed for by many pastors and scores of evangelists and other ministers and she was never healed.

Posters on ACTS can spin it from every angle and the fact will remain that God is sovereign and will heal who He will heal. He will give strength to endure suffering for those who are not healed. We all wish there was a formula that would guarantee healings 100% of the time but it just "ain't gonna happen".

Re: Here is the answer, Scripture

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **4/10/14 11:48 am**

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