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Something confuses me

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **6/28/17 10:27 pm**

Most of the ministers I know have no use for the practice of 'pushing', forcing, knocking folks down when going thru the motions of 'laying on of hands.' I truly draw up when a man literately blows or waves a coat and folks fall.

But the practice has been apparent with leaders of our own denomination to the point, the personages are lifted to the positions of 'sainthood'. I have heard the term 'courtesy drop' used a lot. Folks who were intimidated into falling-out!

Is it right or wrong? Is it misguided and teaching the wrong 'techniques' to the young impressionable preacher ?

Just in the last few weeks I was in a COG in Florida where the visiting minister walked around touching folk with his Bible and they 'fell out'. He stepped over a person in a wheel chair to 'slay some one in the spirit'. That was not an exhibit of the power of God (IMHO).

I think it falls in the category of 'repeat after me'. Or say, 'xyz'. I just attended a service where half the minister's message was 'Say ,,,something,,,', about every two or three minutes. Some TV evangelist did a lot of that.
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Acts-celerater Posts: 787 **6/29/17 2:58 pm**

I too loathe this phony circus act. Anybody starts that in a service I'm in I walk out. Wouldn't matter if it was a new kid on the block or one of the TBN charlatans.

I was in a service years ago when a preacher did the blow on em and wave the coat thing and people were falling out all over. Didn't seem to change anything though as the church soon closed down.

The very last thing a lost world needs is more foolishness from our pulpits. We could use a very real demonstration of the power of God, however. Unfortunately,the average person doesn't seem to care or know the difference between the two.
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **6/29/17 11:00 pm**

FLRon said: Unfortunately,the average person doesn't seem to care or know the difference between the two.

That is true, There is a big difference in show and the REAL POWER of GOD! Cool

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Dare I say this?

Acts Mod Posts: 25305 **6/30/17 11:53 am**

It's the best show in town. Confused

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Re: Dare I say this?

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **6/30/17 7:45 pm**

Very Dangerous Ground

Friendly Face Posts: 434 **7/1/17 6:29 am**

Great discernment Cojak. I believe we need to be very diligent in doing our best to not add or take away what the Holy Spirit wants to do when leading a service. Fleshly distractions can interfere with our ability to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit. How sad to think a man or a woman would be so concerned with looking like they have this great power when in reality he or she is pursuing self glory rather than getting out of the way and being a vessel for the Holy Spirit.

A blood vessel does not produce blood but instead carries the blood that is pumped to it from one place to another without adding or taking away. Are we so afraid of pleasing man that we would risk being a vessel of honor?

We pray before our services for us to be sensitive to what the Holy Spirit wants to do in Word and the Gifts of the Spirit. I would have to confront somebody in love if he or she was trying to create a fleshly atmosphere in the service. What credibility can I have with our church in praying for a true move of the Holy Spirit and agreeing as we bind fleshly disruptive manifestations while bringing people in who are pushing people to create a false sense of power? When one tries to draw personal attention to our own power or personality the Holy Spirit is hindered because we are distracted from His direction.

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5923 **7/1/17 3:26 pm**

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are y'all saying you don't believe the Holy Spirit can truly put people on the floor or that He doesn't do that?

I am one of those who doesn't do courtesy drops. I don't think it's intimidation so much as it's just easier to go with it. Push me all you want. I might leave with a headache or a neck ache, but I ain't going down unless it's God.

Yes, there are those who push and get in the flesh, but there are also those who have the Spirit of God on them, and when they pray for folks, they go down. Expose the counterfeit, but IMHO, there are still some out there who have what's real.
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Acts Mod Posts: 25305 **7/1/17 8:06 pm**

Golf Cart Mafia Capo Famiglia Posts: 4682 **7/1/17 9:37 pm**

I can't find a place in scripture where it is literally mentioned as a practice or even an option but I do think while in the presence of the Lord if one is prayed over & they 'fall out' in the Spirit, it's not a huge issue that defines their walk with God nor an essential issue related to salvation.
I have prayed for numerous people in my 39 years of ministry & in various countries all over the world & it happens everywhere.
The one thing I refuse to do is add even an ounce to their head or neck to encourage them to fall out. My wife was called out of the crowd at camp meeting many years ago & a certain famous CoG preacher prayed for her & slapped her forehead so hard she had no choice but to fall out & it gave her a bad headache that night.
I decided that very night as a young preacher to let the Holy Ghost floor them ...not me.

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Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **7/1/17 9:46 pm**

It seems that if we are mindful of what the Holy Spirit might do...knock us out etc. then it is possible that we come to prayer lines with wrong expectations. Either we want to "resist" falling out or decide if we are going to do the mercy drop. It seems expectations have a lot to do with the happenings. Group think is pervasive in these situations. That is a sad commentary on something that could be so wonderful!