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Golf Cart Mafia Consigliere Posts: 3382 **6/22/15 12:39 pm**

2 Peter 1:10 says make your calling and election sure (stedfast or firm).

Calling is invitation. It is your invitation to the marriage supper that God has prepared.

Election is what Christ talks about in Matthew 22 where one is found at the marriage supper without a wedding garment. He said many are called (invited) but few are chosen (elect).

I believe in the eternal security of the chosen saints.

God will choose and we have an opportunity now to choose to take His invitation seriously.

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Re: OTCP

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **6/22/15 1:36 pm**

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **6/22/15 1:41 pm**

Livingston

Friendly Face Posts: 168 **6/22/15 3:42 pm**

I do not believe that Livingston, sees himself holding to the doctrine of OSAS or even unconditional eternal security. If he would be holding to those doctrines as typically expressed, he would be walking in erroneous doctrine.

In a day where many hold to the ultra grace doctrine, which I find erroneous as well, many are wanting to allow the idea of practicing sin as acceptable. I do not believe that is what Livingston is saying.

No sin will enter the kingdom, sin at is root is rebellion. If we love God and live a consecrated and dedicated life to God, then I do not believe one would walk in rebellion. If we willfully disobey God, and rebel against the word their is no longer a sacrifice for sin and we must repent.

Yet if we are endeavoring to please God and walk uprightly, little mistakes (not willful sins) will be kept in check through the Holy Spirit. So we can believe in being secure in Christ, as long as we are pressing toward the mark of the high calling of God.
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Acts Enthusiast Posts: 1449 **6/22/15 3:50 pm**

I've been looking for RAF and OTCP to give us their usual heretic comment when they hear non-COG are preaching OSAS or eternal security. But I knew they wouldn't jump on a fella COG preacher that way. Laughing

Now don't be a respecter of persons and not do your jobs.

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Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 6385 **6/22/15 4:35 pm**

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 15570 **6/22/15 4:47 pm**

Loran Livingston

Friendly Face Posts: 117 **6/22/15 6:12 pm**

Well, I'm glad somebody finally had to guts to say something other than we are "SAVED", but have to depend on our daily performance to give any assurance of salvation. Now, I believe that I can can go to hell if I want to bad enough (I.E) I WILLFULLY DENOUNCE THE LORDSHIP OF JESUS AND THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, but short of that I don't believe that my inconsistent day-to-day living is going to undo the power of Jesus' payment of my sin-debt on the cross and His resurrection as the FIRSTBORN from the dead.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **6/22/15 6:56 pm**

Again, Loran was moved by folks on their deathbed wondering if they are saved - or are not saved due to some sin they can't remember. I believe Loran's dad had that fear - and it made Loran angry to believe we (including himself) had allowed that type of fear to trouble our COG saints on their deathbed. This teaching is in response to that.
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01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **6/23/15 12:17 am**

c6thplayer.....

Acts-celerater Posts: 704 **6/23/15 8:35 pm**

good post and I would like to hear Bonnie's response. I disagree with her post but I disagree with much respect as I know she is a good person and a frequent poster here.

I just have a difficult time believing someone is a Christian then loses their temper and may let a 4 letter word slip and is all of a sudden hell bound.

Re: c6thplayer.....

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **6/23/15 8:56 pm**

01000001 01100011 01110100 01110011 Posts: 24285 **6/23/15 9:04 pm**

Maybe we need a statement like that of the AoG on the matter

Golf Cart Mafia Underboss Posts: 3638 **6/24/15 8:55 am**

Here's their take on it:
Although the Assemblies of God adheres basically to the Arminian position on the spiritual security of the believer, there are extremes and potential abuses which must be avoided. The Christian life is not a roller coaster of Sunday salvation and Monday through Saturday backsliding. On the other hand, no Christian, no matter how spiritual, can claim perfection and sinlessness (1 John 1:8-10; 2:1). Therefore as Christians we must continually come to God sincerely asking His forgiveness for living below the potential He makes possible through the gift of His Holy Spirit.

The truth of God's marvelous and free grace has sadly led some to imagine and indulge in a cheap grace, a grace that covers all sins with no need to live a holy life. Such an attitude is an insult to the great price Christ paid to purchase our salvation. Though we may fail and fall, and sometimes sin, the heart of the true believer always regrets, repents, asks forgiveness, and seeks never to sin that way again. To carelessly participate in sin, expecting to gain forgiveness later, is itself an act of backsliding that will lead ultimately to losing one's salvation. We therefore reject any "once saved, always saved" doctrine that excuses sinful lifestyles.

Once saved can mean forever saved–if one continues in faith, growing in sanctification and holiness day by day. But God will not arbitrarily usurp mankind's free will. Our sovereign God does not overrule free will just to prove He is sovereign.

see link at: http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/topics/gendoct_09_security.cfm

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Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16509 **6/24/15 9:50 am**

That's why there is some truth in stereotypes. You can always find some who think that way. I can find some who believe that if you don't speak with tongues, you're not saved.

But, for the most part, those churches that teach eternal security do not teach that you can be saved and keep right on sinning.

Friendly Face Posts: 180 **6/24/15 10:20 am**

Well, Wyatt went to college with some 19-year-old boys who didn't understand doctrine. Therefore, all Southern Baptists believe you can get saved and then live in sin for the rest of your life and you'll go Heaven, anyway.

Glad we have that cleared up, now.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **6/24/15 11:37 am**

I should say that I have also known Southern Baptists and Independent Baptists who genuinely exhibited the fruit of the Spirit and who did not seem to use grace as a license to sin. So I definitely do not claim that everybody who believes in eternal security necessarily abuses the grace of God.