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Friendly Face Posts: 434 **5/14/17 6:14 am**

[quote="Old Time Country Preacher"][quote="Preacher777"] I have heard it said that often when pastors are obsessed with preaching clothesline messages ... is because he is dealing with lustful desires.[/quote]

Ummm, lets apply this logic to other aspect of preaching:

1. If a guy is preaching hot/heavy bout the horrors a hell, does it mean he is struggling with wantin to go to hell?

2. If a feller rails agin the evils a alcohol, maybe cause he had a good friend who died drunk, is he secretly struggling with a desire to drink?

3. An what about the dude who gives a straightforward exposition of the last few verses of Romans 1, is he struggling with gay desires?

4. Or, the feller who in righteous anger delivers a sermon on sinners in the hands of an angry God, is he a wantin real bad to be a sinner?

OTCP thinks a lot a this line a thinkin is a tool a the booger man to keep fellers from preachin the truth. I know preachers who have said the reason they don't address certain sins in the pulpit is cause they don't want folk to think they might be struggling with the sin in question.[/quote]

Preacher 777:
Old Timer, I think you misunderstood my intent when I mentioned people sometimes seem to preach hard and angry about what women wear when struggling with lust. I teach on Holiness on a very regular basis and also deal with what I feel is a better way of total abstinence from alcohol. Death notices that teach the word with love versus sounding like an angry man yelling at people for their shortcomings.

Psalm 101 is regularly taught and discussed with God's love: I will sing of lovingkindness and [a]justice,
To You, O Lord, I will sing praises.
2 I will [b]give heed to the [c]blameless way.
When will You come to me?
I will walk within my house in the [d]integrity of my heart.
3 I will set no worthless thing before my eyes;
I hate the [e]work of those who fall away;
It shall not fasten its grip on me.
4 A perverse heart shall depart from me;
I will know no evil.
5 Whoever secretly slanders his neighbor, him I will [f]destroy;
No one who has a haughty look and an arrogant heart will I endure.
6 My eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me;
He who walks in a [g]blameless way is the one who will minister to me.
7 He who practices deceit shall not dwell within my house;
He who speaks falsehood shall not [h]maintain his position before me.

I was referring to the fact that it is much better to teach the truth about things like Psalms 101 concerning no worthless thing will be set before my eyes, hating slander and a proud look.

I believe we can teach men and women to imitate godly people rather than scream at them for looking wrong. When we teach the truth of Psalm 101 we can let people judge if shows such as all those blatant Housewives stuff and others are filled with lustful practices,adultery, slander proud looks Etc. We also remind people on a regular basis about the HOLY Spirit and teach people to decide if it is that spirit or the ungodly lustful spirit they want to pursue.

Also your examples are totally irrelevant because a preacher who is screaming and an angry voice at women for how they dress is different than saying a man must struggle with alcohol, hell etc. In the case of Holiness Preaching often the preacher is blaming somebody else for his problem. And your examples who can be blamed? God for creating hell? Some guy parading bottles of beer and liquor in front of the preacher?

You offer a lot to this bet Message Board Old Time Country preacher but even the best strike out sometime and I think you did here. You are too smart to come across like some angry old guy with a fake doctorate who does not understand basic communication skills as he yells at the ladies 😁

yells at the ladies

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/14/17 9:08 am**

the ladies who are members of the church need yelling at if they are dressing inappropriately!
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Re: Holiness believers ridiculed

Friendly Face Posts: 496 **5/16/17 1:56 pm**

Are you saying they should go back to having their hair in a bun? Why was the question asked in regards to women? What about men? Must a woman wear her hair in a bun and a dress to the floor, but as a man, I can wear spandex Smile

That would certainly be a sight for sore eyes, if they weren't sore before, they sure would be afterward?

You asked the question, but gave no indication on what you thought--at least at the onset. Maybe you did later.

Friendly Face Posts: 496 **5/16/17 2:05 pm**

I must say I had some thoughts on what you said, unfortunately, they were not appropriate as they were certainly sexist and somewhat graphic, I guess. But, I must say, it was funny what I thought Smile

Hon. Dr. in Acts-celeratology Posts: 5923 **5/16/17 11:24 pm**

Preacher777 - I think your comments are important because some church girls have no clue that the way they dress affects a man in certain ways. Honestly, I read it in a book, and I think I was married when I read it! LOL I did marry young (almost 19!) Now there are other young ladies who know exactly what they are doing, and they do it for exactly that reason. It's a conversation I made sure I had with my daughter when she was a teenager.

Having said that, I was raised to dress very modestly and conservatively and didn't wear pants on a regular basis till I was in my 40s. My daughter's husband often comments that he is thankful she is so modest and concerned about what she wears, and she is more "liberal" than I am.

Yes, I believe that there are certain things Christian women should and should not wear in public. (What she wears at home is hers and her husband's business and no one else's.) I look at some people and wonder what they were thinking when they left the house. Sometimes it makes me sad because it makes me feel they don't respect themselves enough to wear something appropriate. And once I got outside the church bubble, I realized that some women are comfortable wearing what they wear because it is what they grew up with/their "normal" and so showing that much skin isn't a big deal to them.

I followed all the church "rules" when I was growing up...often the only one in the church crowd who didn't wear miniskirts, pants, makeup, jewelry...and so on. As an adult I realized a lot of this was due to the fact that my daddy would have had no confidence in my walk with the Lord had I done these things, and that was important enough to me to keep following the rules.

But after Daddy died, I honestly examined what I believed and came to feel that a lot of the outward things I'd been taught really didn't affect my salvation experience. Once I made peace with that, I slowly began to make changes in my outward appearance. When I started to wear lipstick (sin of all sins!), I struggled with "Is this right or wrong?" I felt God speak to my spirit, "I don't care what's ON your lips - I care what comes OUT OF your lips!" This is one of those "work out your own salvation with fear & trembling" things in my humble opinion.

I have to say too, that I seriously struggled with feelings of inferiority growing up. Being "different" and "odd man out" greatly affects our outlook on ourselves. There were a lot of issues I had to work through that affected this area of my life, but I do feel a lot more confident now than I once did.

I heard a minister express it this way once...when the first generation of COG/"holiness" people found the Lord, they were willing to give up anything at all that might be considered "worldly" in order to have a relationship with God and to have the power of the Spirit in their lives. When they tried to teach this to their children, they made it a "law" that you couldn't....do all those things. Their children might have accepted it because Grandma said so, but by the time it was passed down a couple of generations, the younger people didn't have the conviction Grandma did. It was just a rule, legalism, to them, and they rebelled and refused to do it. We gave them the rules but they didn't get the conviction that made it important in the first place. That explanation makes a lot of sense to me, and I think there's a lot of truth to it.

The way men dress is also important but that same book taught me that women are just not usually as visually motivated as men are. What a man sees can have a lot to do with what he thinks and how he responds, while a woman might see a good looking man and just think, "Wow, he's attractive!" and that's it. The things that get women more um...motivated...are usually more emotionally driven than physical. I'm sure this isn't true with every woman, but it seems to be the case with many.
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Re: yells at the ladies

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **5/21/17 7:10 am**

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Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/21/17 8:55 am**

I am to Evangelicalism what Limbaugh is to the political beltway community!
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holiness example

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/22/17 8:34 am**

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1756677727897168/?multi_permalinks=1963419463889659&notif_t=like&notif_id=1495456655675040
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Friendly Face Posts: 219 **5/22/17 9:07 am**

You are Weird. Your behavior is creepy. Stop surging the web to get pictures of pastors wives. It's border line stalking

It might be snowing in Texas, lol

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **5/22/17 9:16 am**

I couldn't access the link Charles posted, but I figured it was an example of a woman who is wearing what meets his personal, subjective opinion of what holiness should "look" like.
I agree that with JimmieDavis (maybe for the first time ever) that it is creepy to search the web to find pictures of pastors' wives and then hold them up as examples of holiness or unholiness.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **5/22/17 9:29 am**

It is a picture of Melania Trump. Besides being one who wishes the CoG were still like it was in the 1960s and 1970s, Charles is also quite the Trumpite, oddly enough.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **5/22/17 9:33 am**

What is odd about that? I can imagine their inference from the verse that woman was made "for" man is not all that dissimilar.
It seems to me that for some birds of a feather, spouting off is a pasttime and authoritarianism is appealing.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 12817 **5/22/17 9:41 am**

I find it odd that, given their very public photographic and adulterous history, that someone who feels very strongly about Christian holiness would put either Donald or Melania up as some kind of model of modesty or holiness. And, it is quite odd, to me at least, how anyone who espouses Christian holiness would strongly support Trump and basically just overlook Trump's complete lack of Christian morality.

Acts-pert Poster Posts: 16646 **5/22/17 9:52 am**

"Christian holiness"

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **5/22/17 9:54 am**

That's the key. Some people don't even know what holiness is; they only care about an appearance.
On the other hand, since Charles said he was to evangelicals what Rush Limbaugh is to "political beltway community," it is possible that he is just trying to be provocative, a troll, in other words.

[Insert Acts Pun Here] Posts: 14803 **5/22/17 9:55 am**

Friendly Face Posts: 346 **5/22/17 12:17 pm**

LOL you can't be holiness and support Trump? Is that a standard COG declaration? I would think that Devos University teaches!!
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